Not By Works

in my language only one bible translation says change of mind its translated correctly in only one. its lutheran conservative translation. the mainstream translations are all saying repent means to change ur lifestyle and do better

Well repent actually means to turn away from your own way and turn to God. So while you are in the actual act of repentance a by product of that is that you have ceased from sin.

But as soon as you are "finished" or go back to life or whatever, not in a repentant state, doing your own thing, you are subject to sin. You don't have to dwell on it or anything like that but you know that you aren't God and that you aren't Perfect.

And that is what the sinless perfectionist says "I am perfect like God is Perfect". No, sir. You are just as dumb and weak as the rest of us. Sorry to burst your perfect bubble...

Yikes!!

Repentance is granted to us graciouslyof God

Repent means a change of mind, but that change of mind changes what we seek, (the one who is in the flesh. minds the things of the flesh, and the one who is spiritual minds the things of the Spirit). So if we walk in the Spirit, we will mind the things of the Spirit. and that in turn changes the direction of our life

But it doesn’t mean you change yourself. Remember, our part is to believe. God does the transforming. Remember what John Rice said in the quote I provided yesterday?

Repentance is granted to us graciouslyof God

if repentance is just given to us why does God ask us to repent? God could just give people the repentance no use to tell people to repent if they cant only God can grant it.

Metanoia as a word used in scripture and apart from scripture in Greek writings means a "change of mind" there is nothing inherent within the word that relates to sin, it is not only a biblical word.

In scripture in context away from dead works to Christ

The root of the meaning of the word repentance: meta=after; noeo=to think. Put the two together and the effect of meta was “after the fact” or “afterwards.”

Essentially, it means to think about something later on and have a reversal of opinion about it. Thus, repentance meant “to change the mind.” Specifically—to change the mind about Christ.

Correct. No one is sinless. But your definition of repent is correct. And as long as we are abiding in Christ, we will not practice sin

Notice I said as long as we are abiding. I did not say anything about maintaining or earning salvation.

if repentance is just given to us why does God ask us to repent? God could just give people the repentance no use to tell people to repent if they cant only God can grant it.

Ok. I don't see it that way. But I do know that there is a general meaning for repentance that a lot of people use.

Such as I repented of my desire to change the tires on my truck.

Ok, sure you changed your mind.


I don't think that is the way Christian Repentance works. But it is the by-product of Christian Repentance.

You come to Christ because you don't want to desire what you are desiring. And then your mind is changed by Christ. And you come away with a change of mind...


Do we just agree to disagree?

Repent military version

“about Face!”

in marching formation

” to the rear, March!”

Ok. I don't see it that way. But I do know that there is a general meaning for repentance that a lot of people use.

Such as I repented of my desire to change the tires on my truck.

Ok, sure you changed your mind.


I don't think that is the way Christian Repentance works. But it is the by-product of Christian Repentance.

You come to Christ because you don't want to desire what you are desiring. And then your mind is changed by Christ. And you come away with a change of mind...


Do we just agree to disagree?

We only have a change of mind (the seat of man) once with regards to spiritual salvation.

if repentance is just given to us why does God ask us to repent? God could just give people the repentance no use to tell people to repent if they cant only God can grant it.

How about this.

One hears the Gospel.

He is convicted of sin and convinced of the truth of the Gospel by the Holy Spirit.

He has a change of mind and comes to Christ in faith.

Then God regenerates him, making him a new creation.

That’s how I see the Bible teacing it. 🙂

Star.....were the following men and words biblical and acceptable when dealing with those that corrupt the word of God?

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men

Blind leaders of the blind

Hypocrites and generation of vipers and snakes

Maybe your god is asleep or on a journey

The works of your father the devil you will do

Using a whip to drive men out

In anger tossing the tables of stone and GRINDING UP a golden calf and making the people drink it

etc.....I am sick of some whine bagging because I cut no slack to a few on here that totally devalue the word of God, Jesus, his work and sacrifice.......and it is a sad DAY INDEED when BELIEVERS coddle false teachers and as a believer we CANNOT SPEAK JUST LIKE THE MEN OF THE BIBLE DID AT TIMES using heat, sarcasm, pointed names or designations.......it is no wonder Christianity is a joke today with no power..........

Every time I'm off this site for a few days/weeks, I come back on and see new people arguing minute points and straying off the OP of this thread. Why is that?

@VCO. I have been accused of not being clear. Here is my position on the matter. Just a few quotes from literally hundreds that I could copy and paste

"Macabeus, post: 4037720, member: 279100"]...We don’t bring anything that was not first given to us by God[/"Macabeus, post: 3949236, member: 279100"]There are several ways the man can serve God in joy and gratitude. ANY born again person can serve God from joy and gratitude of being saved. If nothing else, the fact that I am justified should make me desire to see others saved, and lead to me at least praying for them, if not sharing my faith with them..Macabeus, post: 3949151, member: 279100"]We are justified by faith without works, yes, but when we are justified, we also receive a new nature, and if we have a new nature, we will have new desires, and thus, we will want to see God glorified (new desires) and will labor to that end. Not to be saved, but from love and gratitude..."Macabeus, post: 3948980, member: 279100"]Yes, and then after justification, we live our lives to God out of love and gratitude, BECAUSE OF OUR NEW NATURE. Not perfectly, but there should be SOME love and gratitude, and concern about other people IF WE ARE BORN OF GOD>.."Macabeus, post: 3948972, member: 279100"]. As I have stated many times, SALVATION IS FULLY ACCOMPLISHED, and then works follow from love and gratitude. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Macabeus, post: 3947604, member: 279100"]Yep, if it is of grace, then work is no more work. VERY GOOD scripture. KUDOSAnd to Him that has received grace, work is no longer reckoned as meritorious work, it becomes an expression of gratitude and love. 1 JOHN 5:3. AND no one has room to boast, for WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WE DID NOT RECEiVE FROM GOD. 1 Corinthians 4:7 "Macabeus, post: 3947268, member: 279100"]Justified by faith ALONE, works follow out of love and gratitudeJust like fire produces smoke...All of Grace, it is all of grace, naught of myself, but all from Him, it is all of grace, that is all."Macabeus, post: 3946895, member: 279100"]Never said it had anything to do with salvation. I merely stated that those who are born of God will have the characteristics that John lists in his First Epistle.And we do not work to be saved. We work because we are saved and out of love and gratitude...."Macabeus, post: 4035414, member: 279100"]I agree that fruit is the result and fruit of salvation, not the cause or the root. .

Just a few clear quotes from a selection of HUNDREDS where I said that fruit and works flow from salvation and love and gratitude for God for saving us.