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That is why he is called the Savior and we are not. Because Jesus saves and we are the one's who are saved by him.
I would like to spam the thread with this most inspiring, filled-with-truth comment.

Now if we could only get the "workers for salvation" to grasp simple concept!
 

BillG

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yeah....it is crazy....instead of offering children to Molech they offer them on the altar of self indulgence, wickedness and no natural affection.....
They consider themselves God.
The right take life.

I thank God that actually he is in control no matter the circumstances (as painful as it can be). He brings forth life and a date when it ends.

If he did not then I would not be here.

My mother was on the bed ready to abort me.

Fell pregnant out of wedlock to a Catholic.
I was meant to be aborted because of the shame to her Muslim heritage.

At the last moment she said no.
She had no idea why, because she knew she would be rejected.
And that she was.
She took that rejection out on me for most of my life.
God restored our relationship.

Praise God, my mum came to Jesus, not the prophet but the son of God who died for her.

I thank God for that, I have been around to see it and experience it.

I thank God also that all aborted babies are with him now even those offered to Molech.

I just want to say though, and I'm sure, at least I hope so.

Let us love those who have had an abortion and let them know that this sin is covered by the blood of Jesus.
 
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They consider themselves God.
The right take life.

I thank God that actually he is in control no matter the circumstances (as painful as it can be). He brings forth life and a date when it ends.

If he did not then I would not be here.

My mother was on the bed ready to abort me.

Fell pregnant out of wedlock to a Catholic.
I was meant to be aborted because of the shame to her Muslim heritage.

At the last moment she said no.
She had no idea why, because she knew she would be rejected.
And that she was.
She took that rejection out on me for most of my life.
God restored our relationship.

Praise God, my mum came to Jesus, not the prophet but the son of God who died for her.

I thank God for that, I have been around to see it and experience it.

I thank God also that all aborted babies are with him now even those offered to Molech.

I just want to say though, and I'm sure, at least I hope so.

Let us love those who have had an abortion and let them know that this sin is covered by the blood of Jesus.
I hear ya, and like you my friend from across the pond, I came from a crappy background by the LORD of heaven and earth being a Father to the fatherless......I fully agree that it is a sin, and fully agree it is covered under grace, however.....there are two, maybe three grieveous sins that draw a special scrutiny from GOD. ONE THING HE ABSOLUTELY despises and that which HE will judge, are those guilty of shedding innocent blood.........!!
 

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I hear ya, and like you my friend from across the pond, I came from a crappy background by the LORD of heaven and earth being a Father to the fatherless......I fully agree that it is a sin, and fully agree it is covered under grace, however.....there are two, maybe three grieveous sins that draw a special scrutiny from GOD. ONE THING HE ABSOLUTELY despises and that which HE will judge, are those guilty of shedding innocent blood.........!!
what is the other two grieveous ones?
 

BillG

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I hear ya, and like you my friend from across the pond, I came from a crappy background by the LORD of heaven and earth being a Father to the fatherless......I fully agree that it is a sin, and fully agree it is covered under grace, however.....there are two, maybe three grieveous sins that draw a special scrutiny from GOD. ONE THING HE ABSOLUTELY despises and that which HE will judge, are those guilty of shedding innocent blood.........!!
Interesting.

Does he not despise all sin?
Do you see a difference between shedding of innocent blood, pure idolatry and homosexuality/beastiality?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Surely all sins are grevious, whether it be what you say are grevious.
What about the rest mentioned in the above verses?

I am interested to know why you have not mentioned them.

To me he will judge all sins, and all sins he despises and all are guilty of those sins.

Will an aborter be judged more harshly than an extortioner?
 
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Interesting.

Does he not despise all sin?
Do you see a difference between shedding of innocent blood, pure idolatry and homosexuality/beastiality?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Surely all sins are grevious, whether it be what you say are grevious.
What about the rest mentioned in the above verses?

I am interested to know why you have not mentioned them.

To me he will judge all sins, and all sins he despises and all are guilty of those sins.

Will an aborter be judged more harshly than an extortioner?
Based upon verbiage and the punishments afforded particular sins is why I make this call......God did not call adultry an abomination....he did call men with men and men with animals an abomination.....exactly why there were LAWS, STATUTES AND JUDGEMENTS...........sin is sin, but it is biblically clear that SOME sins were more grieveous in the eyes of GOD......
 

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yes its true not all sin is equal. even our laws dont work that way. some have different punishment. murder is more serious than speeding.

the books of moses says same. some crimes you get big penalty, some crimes not much.
 

calibob

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Based upon verbiage and the punishments afforded particular sins is why I make this call......God did not call adultry an abomination....he did call men with men and men with animals an abomination.....exactly why there were LAWS, STATUTES AND JUDGEMENTS...........sin is sin, but it is biblically clear that SOME sins were more grieveous in the eyes of GOD......
AMEN. Crimes against children. Crimes against the environment. Idolatry which is; adultery against God. Huge mistakes.

Numbers 35:33“You shall not pollute the land in which you live, for blood pollutes the land, and no atonement can be made for the land for the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of the one who shed it.”

luke 17:2
It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around your neck than to cause one of these little ones to fall into sin.
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Based upon verbiage and the punishments afforded particular sins is why I make this call......God did not call adultry an abomination....he did call men with men and men with animals an abomination.....exactly why there were LAWS, STATUTES AND JUDGEMENTS...........sin is sin, but it is biblically clear that SOME sins were more grieveous in the eyes of GOD......
Ok
 

BillG

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AMEN. Crimes against children. Crimes against the environment. Idolatry which is; adultery against God. Huge mistakes.

Numbers 35:33“You shall not pollute the land in which you live, for blood pollutes the land, and no atonement can be made for the land for the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of the one who shed it.”

luke 17:2
It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around your neck than to cause one of these little ones to fall into sin.
Ok
 

BillG

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yes its true not all sin is equal. even our laws dont work that way. some have different punishment. murder is more serious than speeding.

the books of moses says same. some crimes you get big penalty, some crimes not much.
Either way you get punished because you have broken the law.
The consequences are different but the law has been broken.

Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty of sin.

And those who broke the law as such are forgiven if they come to Jesus.
 

BillG

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AMEN. Crimes against children. Crimes against the environment. Idolatry which is; adultery against God. Huge mistakes.

Numbers 35:33“You shall not pollute the land in which you live, for blood pollutes the land, and no atonement can be made for the land for the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of the one who shed it.”

luke 17:2
It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around your neck than to cause one of these little ones to fall into sin.
And how does Luke 17:2 relate to Numbers 35:33?
 
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I would like to spam the thread with this most inspiring, filled-with-truth comment.
Now if we could only get the "workers for salvation" to grasp simple concept!
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UG, please tell us all who they are, and the posts that they have posted to have exposed themselves as such????
maybe then we will have the righteousness of God to dog them and make them pay for their 'ignorance'???
:):)
 

BillG

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I hear ya, and like you my friend from across the pond, I came from a crappy background by the LORD of heaven and earth being a Father to the fatherless......I fully agree that it is a sin, and fully agree it is covered under grace, however.....there are two, maybe three grieveous sins that draw a special scrutiny from GOD. ONE THING HE ABSOLUTELY despises and that which HE will judge, are those guilty of shedding innocent blood.........!!
Be careful.
As you know we are saved by grace through faith.

Yet what you have said above may cause an issue for those who do not get grace if they read the above.

Enough said.
Love you as my precious brother always.
 

calibob

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And how does Luke 17:2 relate to Numbers 35:33?
We were talking about are all sins equal. I was pointing out some are much more serious than others thats all. Like child abuse, idolatry, astrology and destroying the planet that we are stewards over.
 
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Do you get why I make that stance migo?

A question based upon the following statement.

The following is God's order and a beeakdown of the way it lays out in the O.T....

LAW <--the big 10

Statutes <--division of big 10 into sub categories with qualifying conditions and or circumstances

Judgements <----the judicial ruling based upon the law broken and extinuating circumstances

The questions and why?

Are there different punishments aforded under the judgements for a broken law or statute? Yes

Why?

Do not misunderstand me if you are brother...sin is sin and I fully understand that.....my point is simply the above....the reason for different punishments under the law is because of how God sees the injustice, crimality, wickedness, malice and or motive behind our breach of the law. Some sins are MORE grieveous due to the above in God's eyes and worthy of special attention even though they are sins nonetheless....

God even MAKES PROVISON in the law for the following and that is my point....

If a woman with child loses the child due to an accident by a man, a financial price was to be offered for that child.

If a woman with child loses a child due to malice or injury on purpose by another man under the law eye for an eye

Law ->>>murder = intent and malice

Statute -->Conditional clause death by accident = no motive

Judgements
Murder = death
Accidental death = financial payment

Anyway....hope you understand where I am coming from....