Prophesying Forbidden

I believe the gifts are for today. It seems you have misunderstood what I said.

If God's people are more concerned with the gifts rather than the giver of them, then they are adulterous.

Well why are they together then??😐
And what makes you think you're so right?
These chapters seem pretty straight forward.

I did not see any evidence in what you posted for donkeys being specifically related to unbelief--that references to them should be seen as a symbol of unbelief. Sure, they are beasts of burden that were unclean for Jews to eat. That doesn't not associate them with unbelief.

You should also consider how your penchant for allegorical interpretation is totally inconsistent with your cessationist position. Some of these allegorical interpretations are so strained that the only reason someone would believe it is if they think the interpreter(s) are moved by the Spirit to know something not actually stated in the text of scripture. That's extraBiblical revelation, and you should consider that such an approarch to interpretation is actually potentially more dangerous to sound doctrine than someone getting a word of knowledge or prophecy about another person's sin or ministry calling.

I did not see any evidence in what you posted for donkeys being specifically related to unbelief--that references to them should be seen as a symbol of unbelief. Sure, they are beasts of burden that were unclean for Jews to eat. That doesn't not associate them with unbelief.

You should also consider how your penchant for allegorical interpretation is totally inconsistent with your cessationist position. Some of these allegorical interpretations are so strained that the only reason someone would believe it is if they think the interpreter(s) are moved by the Spirit to know something not actually stated in the text of scripture. That's extraBiblical revelation, and you should consider that such an approarch to interpretation is actually potentially more dangerous to sound doctrine than someone getting a word of knowledge or prophecy about another person's sin or ministry calling.

The bible in parables uses the term clean to represent that which is holy set aside to represent the redeemed .

Like a lamb it represents the redeeming power of God as those born again .And uses the unclean like a donkey represent natural man, non redeemed in ceremonial laws as a shadow of the Son on of God our suffering savior.

That thou shalt set apart unto the Lord all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the Lord's. And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem. And it shall be when thy son asketh thee in time to come, saying, What is this? that thou shalt say unto him, By strength of hand the Lord brought us out from Egypt, from the house of bondage: Exodus 13:12-14

No, it doesn't. The word, "clean" does not appear in any of the parables.


"Donkey" doesn't appear in any of the parables either.


That isn't a parable.

I would think if as you say parables are not prophecy just as tongues are not we then will have our differences. Parables as the signified tongue of God like the time period when there were Kings in Israel. Parables were used to hide the gospel from those who refused to hear (sola scriptura)

God has set up a sign to help identify and perhaps commune with those who have that manner of spirit called falling backward to indicate judgment according to the letter of the law. The foundation of tongues as a law or doctrine of God. We must look to the law that reveals men falling backward. Another doctrine of God used in parables that give us the good news as a living hope. Because a person does not search out another level it does not mean they have no hope but a different kind or manner. It does not change the grace of God. Just another kind of understanding. Remember the faithless Jews turned the manner of inspiration upside down taking away the understanding of God. Parables as prophecy I believe can help keep the integrity of the gospel of grace..

Parables I believe the kind of food the disciples knew not of at first the meat of the word moved by the will of God to plant the gospel born again seed. its the clean food represented by a lamb as that which does not come out as draught but works in us to both will and do the good pleasure of God. It provides what is called the better things that accompany salvation. That God who does work in us promises he will remember all the good works we worked yoked with Emanuel

Clean hands ceremonially represent those redeemed. bread represents the word of God the daily will.

Matthew 15 King James Version (KJV)
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

Peter was not given the unseen understanding pertaining to ceremonial laws as shadows hoping the kingdom of God came by the temporal things seen walking by sight .


And again Jesus spoke another parable in a hope they would understand what it means to walk by faith the unseen eternal .

16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Clean represent the donkeys that have been redeemed by the lamb of God .Not a source of redeeming. Just old farmers that live in the city. . . planting the incorruptible seed. . . that does not come out as draught.

Words that desire to add knowledge to sola scriptura come with a strong delusion needed to continue to believe in another source of faith other that as it is written.

The bible in parables uses the term clean to represent that which is holy set aside to represent the redeemed .Like a lamb it represents the redeeming power of God as those born again .And uses the unclean like a donkey represent natural man, non redeemed in ceremonial laws as a shadow of the Son on of God our suffering savior.

… Was Balaam's donkey in unbelief? He saw the angel and avoided him. ...

Balaam's donkey was a "she"

Oops.

Earlier, you had the donkey representing unbelief. Where did you get that from? Did Jesus ride unbelief into Jerusalem? That makes no sense. Was Balaam's donkey in unbelief? He saw the angel and avoided him. Where is the evidence that donkey was unbelieving or represented unbelief? Do you redeem unbelief with a lamb?

You complain a lot about adding to the word, but it is irrational to believe some of these allegorical interpretations without believing in some kind of extrabiblical revelation, since they contain ideas not directly taught in scripture. The only reason to believe in them is if one believes God has revealed these things extrabiblically.

Using those types of interpretations to argue for cessationism is irrational and self-contradictory.

Jesus warned of the situation where 'ye teach for doctrines the commandments of men.' Man-made interpretations are damaging-- such saying that 'that which is perfect' is the completed canon, when Paul already wrote, 'so that ye come behind in no spiritual gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. It can also be damaging to assert that if someone prophesies, he is adding to the book of Revelation.

As far as did Jesus ride unbelief into Jerusalem? unbelief is represented by that which in the eyes see a corrupted creation the wrath of God being revealed to the whole world the end is coming. Jesus as the Son of man wrapped in corrupted flesh he inherited from his mother was typified as sinful in order to demonstrate one time what the letter of the law could not. . . revealed as the law of faith making the law of God perfect or complete. . . The Son of man Jesus the first born of the brethren clothed in the temporal seen refused to be call called good master as infallible interpreter. Nut when accused of being good he gave glory to the unseen holy place of faith. And said God alone as eternal Spirit is good.

Riding into Jerusalem on a donkey was a picture of it is finished. No faith after what the eyes see, A good example is shown in Luke 9. When Jesus repeatedly hid the gospel understanding in a parable again to increase their faith they had little faith. (not of there own self.) He must increase we must decrease,

The last of the three parables he set his eyes towards Jerusalem but moved the messenger toward the gentiles to help them distinguish the us form them which are from without. They because they di not understand the parable of faith .wanted to destroy that which the eyes see. as the pagan foundation of religion .Out of sight out of mind. Jesus rebuked them and said to them: "You know not what manner of spirit we are of" as natural unconverted un redeemed mankind man . They repented

I would offer the gift of interpretation of tongues is hearing the new tongue, the gospel .

2 Peter 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. KJV 1611

I used to be active on Christianforums, but they put up a new set of rules a while back. I did not agree and so I was inactive, maybe because I did not want to read a long page of rules at the time.

I thought about signing up again, and I came across this in the rules. I found this objectionable, "Personal Prophecy (prophetic utterance) will be considered off-topic to all site forums."

I Corinthians 14 says '...covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in tongues.' Prophesying is emphasized here over speaking in tongues, so it stands to reason that if we are to covet it, we are not to forbid it. Earlier of church meetings, he commanded, passing on what he emphatically stated were the commandments of the Lord, "Let the prophets speak... and 'For ye may all prophesy....' Paul commanded the Thessalonians 'Despise not prophesyings...'

My understanding is that prophesying generally involves speaking as moved/carried-along by the Holy Ghost as Peter described Old Testament prophecy. It could be other forms of communication as well like singing, even the use of musical instruments. Typically Old Testament prophets prophesied in the first person and sometimes preceded their quotes from God with 'Thus saith the Lord'. But Peter called David a prophet and not all of his prophetic Psalms follow this format. John even said Caiaphas prophesied when he said that one Man should die for the people. Caiaphas probably did not even know that he was prophesying.

If it is possible to prophesy-- to speak under the moving of the Spirit-- without even knowing it, why would one agree never to give prophetic utterance? The rule said personal prophesy, but many posts on the forum there are personal advice to an OP. So if the Spirit moves an individual to type out a piece of advice, it is forbidden to do so, but advice from one's own mind is allowed?

And what about those in the Reformed movement who define prophesying to be faithful preaching and teaching of the scriptures. If a pastor who posts faithfully uses the scriptures to instruct an individual with a bit of personal information, couldn't they consider that 'prophesying.' I see a distinction between prophesying and teaching in scripture, but if one sees this as prophesying, why would he agree to such a rule?

I wanted to send someone from ChristianForums a little note explaining that I would not agree to their terms for the reasons stated above, but I could not reach anyone without agreeing to the terms. So I thought I would vent a bit here since the topic might make a good topic for discussion.

Do denominations, pastors, or churches have the authority to override the 'commandments of the Lord' in I Corinthians 14 that permit prophesying? Should a Christian discussion board attempt to forbid individuals from speaking as moved by the Holy Spirit?

I used to be active on Christianforums, but they put up a new set of rules a while back. I did not agree and so I was inactive, maybe because I did not want to read a long page of rules at the time.

I thought about signing up again, and I came across this in the rules. I found this objectionable, "Personal Prophecy (prophetic utterance) will be considered off-topic to all site forums."

I Corinthians 14 says '...covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in tongues.' Prophesying is emphasized here over speaking in tongues, so it stands to reason that if we are to covet it, we are not to forbid it. Earlier of church meetings, he commanded, passing on what he emphatically stated were the commandments of the Lord, "Let the prophets speak... and 'For ye may all prophesy....' Paul commanded the Thessalonians 'Despise not prophesyings...'

My understanding is that prophesying generally involves speaking as moved/carried-along by the Holy Ghost as Peter described Old Testament prophecy. It could be other forms of communication as well like singing, even the use of musical instruments. Typically Old Testament prophets prophesied in the first person and sometimes preceded their quotes from God with 'Thus saith the Lord'. But Peter called David a prophet and not all of his prophetic Psalms follow this format. John even said Caiaphas prophesied when he said that one Man should die for the people. Caiaphas probably did not even know that he was prophesying.

If it is possible to prophesy-- to speak under the moving of the Spirit-- without even knowing it, why would one agree never to give prophetic utterance? The rule said personal prophesy, but many posts on the forum there are personal advice to an OP. So if the Spirit moves an individual to type out a piece of advice, it is forbidden to do so, but advice from one's own mind is allowed?

And what about those in the Reformed movement who define prophesying to be faithful preaching and teaching of the scriptures. If a pastor who posts faithfully uses the scriptures to instruct an individual with a bit of personal information, couldn't they consider that 'prophesying.' I see a distinction between prophesying and teaching in scripture, but if one sees this as prophesying, why would he agree to such a rule?

I wanted to send someone from ChristianForums a little note explaining that I would not agree to their terms for the reasons stated above, but I could not reach anyone without agreeing to the terms. So I thought I would vent a bit here since the topic might make a good topic for discussion.

Do denominations, pastors, or churches have the authority to override the 'commandments of the Lord' in I Corinthians 14 that permit prophesying? Should a Christian discussion board attempt to forbid individuals from speaking as moved by the Holy Spirit?