Leopard's Spots

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● Jer 13:23a . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?

The answer to both those questions is of course "no" because if an h.sapiens
is born with black skin, it stays black; and if a cat is born with spotted fur,
its stays spotted. In other words: the color of an Ethiopian's skin, and the
spots on a leopard's fur, are indelible; they're permanent.

● Jer 13:23b . . Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

The apostle Paul said something similar in Rom 7:7-24; which is pretty much
summed up in verse 18, which reads thus:

"I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh"

The Greek word for "flesh" is sarx (sarx); which basically indicates the
meaty parts of either man or beast; i.e. the body. The meaty parts of course
consist of not only muscle and fat; but also the organs and the brain and
the nervous system along with the eyes, the ears, and the tongue. Those are
all "meaty" parts.

What Paul is saying in Rom 7:7-24 is that the human body has a will of its
own, and it quite naturally, and quite intrinsically, has a predilection for evil
instead of good. In other words; any man who would be 100% righteous is
in for a fight against nature, i.e. a fight against his own self-- an inner
conflict that (speaking from experience) can lead to a mental disorder or a
nervous breakdown.

Ironically, should someone manage to succeed in a war with themselves, in
the long run it will be for naught because all they will have done is suppress
their body's natural predilection for evil rather than get rid it.
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It's not all that difficult to show that Jesus Christ is Adam's biological
progeny; which of course attests that he's a genuine h.sapiens rather than
an imitation, i.e. a look-alike rather than the real thing; viz: a counterfeit.

Yet according to John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22; Jesus
Christ never committed one single solitary sin in his entire life, which is quite
remarkable considering that his crucified body was no different than
anybody else's body in all respects.

● Heb 2:13-18 . . "Here am I, and the children God has given me."

. . . Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity
so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death
that is, the devil-- and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by
their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's
descendants.

. . . For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in
order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to
God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because
he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are
being tempted.

According to that; in order for priests to be effective, one of their
qualifications is that they have to be able to empathize with their
constituents. So; in order for Jesus to satisfy that requirement, he had to be
a genuine h.sapiens; which entails having a genuine h.sapiens body.

So my question is: How does someone with a body made of genuine
h.sapiens flesh-- a body made of the sarx spoken of in post No.1 --manage
to get thru life without committing a single, solitary sin?
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What you need to find is found hereunder. Study it.

This is the reason Jesus was BORN OF A VIRGIN. He had not the nature of fallen Adam within Him, but rather was in a position of Adam BEFORE the fall. Jesus is referred to as the Second Adam. What the first Adam failed in, the Second Adam (Jesus Christ) overcame.

Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man (Hypostatic Union). He condemned SIN in the Flesh.

Romans 5v12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

Romans 8v3
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,


1 Corinthians 15
45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made[i] of dust; the second Man is [j]the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the [k]man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we[l] shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Romans 5v18-19
18 Therefore, as through [h]one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one[i] Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

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FAQ: If it's true that Jesus Christ was Adam's biological progeny, then
wouldn't he have been born with a "body of death" just like everybody else?
(Rom 7:24)

A: Yes, and in point of fact the Bible says that Jesus came in the likeness of
sinful flesh rather than in the likeness of righteous flesh. (Rom 8:3)

The Bible also says of Jesus that he was "made like his brothers in every
way". (Heb 2:13-18)
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The Bible also says that Jesus is David's seed according to the flesh, viz:
David's body. (Rom 1:3)
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To which Paul replies with the ANSWER. Its all there if you care to read it carefully.

Romans 7
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who[a] do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth.

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Joh 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The man Christ Jesus was always led of the Spirit from birth until death so He could not sin for a Spirit led life will abstain from sin for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts and show the ways of the Spirit and not the flesh.

He could be tempted but He could not sin for God was always in control.

But there is some people that make excuses that they cannot abstain from sin but the same power is available to us as was given to the man Christ Jesus, and we can conform to the image of Christ.

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● 1Pet 1:18-19 . .You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways
inherited from your fathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold,
but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or
spot.

FAQ: If human flesh has a will of its own, and it quite naturally, and quite
intrinsically, has a predilection for evil instead of good; and if there is no
good thing in human flesh; and if the human body is a "body of this death";
and if Jesus Christ was Adam's biological progeny; and if Jesus was made in
the likeness of sinful flesh rather than righteous flesh; and if he was made of
the seed of David according to the flesh; and if he was made like his
brothers in every way; then how can the blood in Jesus Christ's flesh be
compared to the blood in the flesh of a lamb without spot or blemish?

One of the goofiest responses to that question that I've yet to encounter is
that Jesus' blood wasn't normal blood, it was God's blood.

Well; that sounds reasonable but according to Acts 17:26, God has made all
men of one blood. So if Jesus Christ is fully man, then his blood was just as
much the one blood that's in all the rest of us; which of course is Adam's.
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So why don't you just come out and say what you want to say. State it clearly. Are you saying Jesus' blood could not save mankind? If that is your proposition then it would be fair for us to ask you to make your position clear.
Instead what I perceive is that you are using a devious tactic to sow doubt. I don't think you will find many takers here on CC for that proposition of yours, if that is your proposition. We may have lots of debate on CC but this particular topic is not really one of them.

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FAQ: I have heard that ancestral blood is inherited via the father rather than
the mother. Seeing as how Jesus didn't have a father, then how could he
possibly inherit Adam's blood?

A: In the beginning, God made the first woman with human material taken
from the first man's body. (Gen 2:21-22)

As a result, Eve was Adam just as much as Adam was Adam.

"Adam said: This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh" (Gen
2:23)

Therefore, all biological offspring produced from Eve's flesh-- whether
normally conceived or virgin conceived --comes into the world with flesh of
Adam's flesh, and bone of Adam's bones.

Now; unless someone can prove beyond any shadow of sensible doubt that
Mary and Eve were not biologically related, then we must conclude that any
progeny produced from Mary's flesh, no matter how, would be bone of
Adam's bones and flesh of Adam's flesh; viz: Adam was just as much Jesus
Christ's father as he is everyone else's father.

In point of fact, God predicted that Eve's progeny would one day destroy the
serpent (Gen 3:15). So then, if Jesus Christ were not Eve's progeny, then he
could not be the one predicted to destroy the serpent. But if Jesus is the
predicted progeny, then Eve is his mother and Adam is his father.

There are quite a few Christians who would really like to take Adam out of
Jesus' biological genealogy, but the only way to do it is to take Mary's flesh
out of the stream, and ultimately Eve's; which is no doubt at least one of the
reasons why the surrogacy theory is so popular.

NOTE: The life of the flesh is in the blood (Lev 17:11) so I think we may
safely assume that when God took Adam's flesh to make Eve's flesh, some
of Adam's blood came with it; which means that Eve's blood was Adam's
blood; and so on and so on down the line to Mary, and thereby to Jesus.

And seeing as how Eve's bones were made of Adam's bones, then her bones
replenished Adam's blood in her flesh as its cells gradually died off like
normal blood cells do. The self-same process would've taken place in Jesus'
flesh and bones too seeing as his flesh and bones were Adam's flesh and
bones.

FAQ: How could you possibly know Adam's blood type in order to verify it
was in Jesus' flesh?

A: There are several human blood types-- A, B, AB, and O, along with the Rh
groups. However, any blood-- regardless of its type or its group --is Adam's
blood if it's human blood because Adam is the only human being that God
created from scratch. All other human beings, including his wife, are Adam's
direct biological descendants including, but not limited to, Jesus Christ and
his mother.
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Eve was created from Adam BEFORE the fall and before the curse on Adam. Sin nature only came into existence after Eve was created.

Genesis 3
17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:

“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
18 Both thorns and thistles it shall [f]bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”

This curse upon Adam was pronounced AFTER Eve had been taken from his body.

And for that matter, before they had their first child....

Numbers 12:1 King James Version (KJV)

12 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.


Did Moses marry a Black Woman? Miriam and Aaron was against Moses for marrying an Ethiopian.

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FAQ: If Jesus Christ's body really was bone of Adam's bones, and flesh of
Adam's flesh, and his blood was Adam's too; then wouldn't Jesus be effected
by Rom 5:12a, which reads: "Just as sin entered the world through one
man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men?

A: Yes; had Jesus not been crucified, he would've eventually died of some
other cause.

FAQ: You're saying that Jesus Christ's body wasn't immortal?

A: Had Jesus' body been immortal, the Romans would've failed to execute
him on the cross and he would've just hung there in agony day after day
after day even after the soldier stabbed him with a spear.

FAQ: What about the remainder of Rom 5:12, which says: "because all
sinned". And also Rom 5:19 which says: "Through the disobedience of the
one man the many were made sinners". Are you saying that Adams sin
made Jesus Christ a sinner just the same as all the rest of Adam's progeny?

A: Jesus Christ never committed a single solitary sin of his own in his entire
life. (John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22)

But note that I said "of his own".

Adam's sin is what's sometimes called imputed. In other words, it's a sin
whose consequences are held against you without your having actually done
anything yourself to deserve it. (cf. Isa 53:5-9)

I realize that sounds extremely unjust and unfair but it is what it is, and not
even the very son of God himself could circumvent it because in order for
the Word of John 1:1-14 to be fully man, he had to take upon himself not
only a human man's body, but also a human man's liabilities; which for
someone of his stature, must have been terribly humiliating.

Now, let me emphasize that we're not talking about the so-called fallen
nature here. This is strictly a legal issue; and justice for the offense is easily
satisfied by just simply passing away. (Gen 2:17)
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● Luke 1:31-32 . . the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father.

When Joseph adopted Jesus into Solomon's lineage, it gave the child a legal
opportunity to inherit David's throne, but it did not give him a natural
opportunity, viz: in order to fully qualify as a candidate for the throne, Jesus
absolutely had to be David's biological progeny.

● Ps 89:3-4 . . I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to
David My servant: I will establish your seed forever, and build up your
throne to all generations

● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn to David, a truth from which He will not
turn back: Of the fruit of your body I will set upon your throne.

● Ps 89:35-36 . . Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto
David. His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before me.

The New Testament verifies that Jesus satisfies the natural requirement in
those Psalms.

● Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a
bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to
biological progeny; for example:

● Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.

That seed is obviously spiritual progeny. But the seed in Rom 1:1-3 is
biological progeny because David's seed is "according to the flesh" i.e. his
physical human body.

David's seed according to the flesh not only validates Jesus' natural
candidacy for David's throne, but also verifies that Adam was Jesus'
biological progenitor because the Bible traces David's lineage all the way
back there in Luke's genealogy.

But even without Luke's contribution, it's easy to prove that Adam was
David's biological progenitor simply by referring to the fact that all human
beings, regardless of race or color, are Adam's biological progeny; which of
course includes David.

● Acts 17:26 . . From one man God made every nation of men, that they
should inhabit the whole earth.

Now, unless somebody can prove clearly, conclusively, iron clad, and without
spin and sophistry that David's body was in no way biologically related to
Adam's body, then we have to conclude that baby Jesus' body was also
biologically related to Adam's body due to his natural descent from David.
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Every single male that has ever lived has inherited Adam's Y chromosome, EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST. Males get their Y chromosome from their father. Jesus got His from His Heavenly Father.

Women do NOT have a Y chromosome. Jesus did NOT inherit Adam's sin nature. But just as Adam was tempted pre fall and failed, Jesus was tempted but did not fall from the temptations.

Genesis 3
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

That's why it was not His Seed.

Case closed.

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Well; I'm inclined to suspect that Jesus Christ got the Y chromosome from
his virgin mother via a miracle.

In the beginning God made the first woman with human material taken
from the first man's body (Gen 2:21-22) so that the woman became just as
much Adam as Adam; she is not a discrete creature made independently of
the man out of sand or dirt and rock. She was made from the flesh and bone
of an already existing human being's flesh and bone. (Gen 2:23, Gen 5:2)

Seeing as how God constructed an entire woman-- top to bottom --from a
sample of male flesh and bone, then I do not see how it would be any more
difficult for God to construct a dinky little Y chromosome from a sample of
female flesh and bone.

And seeing as how woman's flesh is just as much Adam's flesh as Adam's,
then any Y chromosome that God might construct from woman's flesh would
be Adam's seeing as how Eve's flesh was derived from Adam's flesh.

You see, by making a Y chromosome from a woman's flesh and bone, God
didn't have to create one ex nihilo, same as he didn't have to create a
woman ex nihilo. He made her from something human already existing.
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Yet you ignore post Nr12 and 13.

Tell me Webers.Home --- was Eve separated from Adam BEFORE the curse came upon Adam's flesh?