I wonder how these two verses will play out with Christadelphians and Jehovah's Witnesses?

I showed examples of parallelism. You choose to misread it.



In chemistry and physics, the triple point is the temperature and pressure at which solid, liquid, and vapor phases of a particular substance coexist in equilibrium. It is a specific case of thermodynamic phase equilibrium. The term "triple point" was coined by James Thomson in 1873.

https://www.thoughtco.com/definition-of-triple-point-604674


human examples are not perfect.


3^0 = 1

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Do you believe there was a point where the son of god did not exist?

Someone that declares someone and acts on their behalf is a representative. Also we are Flesh and Spirit. Spirit was made before Flesh. The Most High is the Father of Spirits.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Our God never died but prepared a Passover lamb according to his works

Acts 13:2 While they were worshipping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

The Holy Spirit uses ego, I for himself which is the hallmark of being a person.

1 Cor 12:11 (NET)
12:11 It is one and the same Spirit, distributing as he decides to each person, who produces all these things.

(4) His guidance (Isa 48:16; Rom 8:14); (5) His comforting (John 14:26); (6) His prayer (Rom 8:26);
https://bible.org/seriespage/person-holy-spirit-part-1-person-holy-spirit

Your proof texts do not prove that there is a mother god who gave birth to spirit children.

Perhaps the image of the invisible God and the firstborn of every creature: that has declared his God and our God.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

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It does not matter that all things were created through him because it was not of his authority, or authorized of him, or his will.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Color coded so you can see the distinction.

There is an Originator of Spirits. A Father is an originator. For example Father of modern medicine, etc. I never mentioned anything about a mother God. your reply is a mute point. nothing that can be worked with.

neither after. same verse. Christ is not 'created' He is Creator -- all things which were made, made through Him, by Him, for Him.
majesty, authority, ownership, glory

congratulations, you proved the Christ is the I AM

i heard an in-depth study of this Hebrews 1:3 once, in which the teacher went into the etymology & ancient use of the Greek word here translated as 'image' - χαρακτήρ, charaktér - saying it is a term associated with the work of an engraver or or other similar field of art, carrying the specific meaning of being an exact copy of a thing. it is like a print made from a block - the 'image' formed is in every way 100% identical to the block.

in mathematics an image is the set of output values that a function maps a subset of the domain to. a subset can be the entire domain - in which case, the associated image is the entirety of the range of the function. if the function is written f: A → B, then the image is B.
considering the case that Jesus Christ is called the "image" of the invisible Almighty God, the 'set' being mapped is the I AM. we know that the function in question is a bijection ((1:1 & onto)) by Colossians 1:19 -- "all the fullness of God" dwells in Him ((thus, 1:1)) and Hebrews 1:3, being an exact representation ((thus, onto)) -- therefore the inverse of the function exists, and the image of A is the entire set B. Colossians 1 then, by calling the Son the "image" of God, is calling Him exactly equal to God - distinguishable only in that His appearing is the result of a transformative mapping from the invisible to the visible.

why?

because Gideon, for just one example, spoke with I AM THAT I AM as though he were speaking with a man - one having the form of a son of man.

someone visible & appearing as one of the sons of men appeared and spoke with Gideon.

that 'someone visible' having the appearance of a man, is none other than I AM THAT I AM the Eternal Father, the Invisible God whom no one has seen at any time.

so, 'why' is Christ the Image of the invisible God? because His name is called Immanuel, which, being translated, means 'YHWH with us'

Jesus Christ is I AM. God manifest in the flesh ((1 Timothy 2:6)) -- in order to redeem you to Himself, that we be one, even as He is One. to open the eyes of the blind.

Not God with us literally .

Why?

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

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If Jesus is God then why did he not come in his own name and why is his doctrine not his own?

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

LOL dude don't post stuff like that while i am sipping a drink please. i need to clean my screen now

'why not God with us literally' ??

because you don't like what scripture actually says, apparently


God is One. they worshipped Him, and were not rebuked. when Thomas called Him "my God" He replied, "you have believed"
welcome to Christianity.

not literally Immanuel??

c'mon man. ephphatha

I am emphasizing coming forth from God does not equate to being God but actually coming forth from God.

When it comes to your question is better for me not to answer and you seek it out: I cannot answer that without needless tension.

sighs

Literally the Son of God in the flesh of men walked among men. Not literally God himself see supporting scripture below

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

you should not forget what being worshipped as God also equates to. the charge against Him for which He was crucified: making Himself equal to God. in this country, you can't be tried twice on the same charges: it has already been declared.

it is not as though this isn't a profound mystery; He speaks as Son of Man and also as Son of God; He speaks as Eternal Son and also He is called Everlasting Father. He is 'very God of very God and very man of very man' -- this is something not even angels understood.

we're not trying to argue the Son is not the Son. we're just hoping you'll confess that the Son is God.

Jesus is something pretty special
"singular" you might say