Not By Works

Romans 6
19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness [f]for holiness.

- This is all part and parcel of believing in Jesus Christ. You cannot say you believe in Jesus (the Word) and still reject the Word.

That's good.

I did not quote that part. It was not included in what I said. See post #120,904.

Yes, we have been enlightened, have tasted the heavenly gift, have shared in the Holy Spirit, have tasted the goodness of the Word of God and the powers of the age to come, by His grace. Yet we know that if we fall away it would be impossible to be brought back to repentance because to our loss we would be crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace. Hebrews 6:4-6

We have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! But the truth is that if we are entangled in it again and overcome we would be worse off at the end than we were at the beginning. It would have been better for us not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to have turned our backs on the sacred command that was passed on to us. Of us the proverbs would be true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow after washing returns to her wallowing in the mud." 2 Peter 2:20-22

We cannot treat as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified us and outrage the Spirit of grace. Hebrews 10:29. He has commanded us to abide. Amen. Jesus is the Truth.

Rom 6:17-18
But thanks be to God that though you were slaves to sin, you obeyed from the heart that pattern of teaching you were entrusted to,
and having been freed from sin, you became enslaved to righteousness.

This verse hits me about promise and faith. Promise that others have experienced freedom from sin, faith to know Jesus can and does deliver this in our lives today.

We have become "enslaved to righteousness" Amen

Romans 6
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit [g]to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the [h]gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If you hate these words you are not a believer. Its as simple as that. This is the Word (whom you profess to follow).

I see, so you do not do a study of all the scriptures.

That is typical of the cults.

Which Paul said made Christ of no effect to them.

Thank you for these verses.

Rom 6:22 NKJV
But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

"Set free from sin" - amen, thank you Jesus
"Slaves to God" - our Lord who we obey
"Fruit" - "holiness" - our cleansing and position
"Everlasting life" - our reward, our gift

How clear scripture is as the Holy Spirit brings light and life to it.

The deception in the church is deep.
Many believe the ones who are working iniquity in the passage are the ones doing righteous works.

Unbelief is what will cause you to lose your salvation.
The warning of scripture is to not let sin deceive you into hardening your heart in unbelief.

I'm used to hearing works-salvationists quote Romans 6:16 in an effort to support salvation by works, but apparently, sinless perfectionists also use it in an effort to support sinless perfection.

Works-salvationists typically ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" in Romans 6:16 and simply stress "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience which "follow saving faith in Christ" are "unto righteousness," works righteousness.

There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."

Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.

lets listen to david wilkerson predict how in the 2000 all christian tv channels will be out of business and there are tanks in the streets of USA (new york specifically)

oh wait didnt happen. do you believe in the partial pre-trib rapture too chris?

I'm believing this more and more as time goes by.
America reminds me of Israel who thought they were God's people and so God was going to deliver them, but because of their sin God was actually destroying them and letting their enemies overtake them. But they had lots of prophets to tell them what they wanted to hear about peace and deliverance.

Did I say something different?

Instead of allowing scripture to conform them, they try to conform scripture to their own beliefs. Not realising that one day they will face the Word Himself.

I don't fell that I'm anywhere near perfect . But GOD is STIL WORKING on me that I may be perfect . GOD BLESS AS HE SEES FIT.

Satan believe & he want be saved . & can't be .

This was my main problem in being deceived into saving myself. It is a subtle difference, and one might think it does not even matter but to God it does matter because He will not share His glory with anyone. Don't get me wrong, I still get that warm fuzzy feeling inside if I help someone as I am sure all of you do too, but that is not for salvation purposes.