That Hebrews 10v26 Thread

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oyster67

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For the benefit of those who are just tuning in:

Hebrews 10
10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
10:21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised;)
10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

pretty well nails home the fact that we are now addressing born again believers at this point.
 
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MMD that is once again disingenuous. I am going to call you out on this one. Its not acceptable to lie and twist this. Peoples lives are at stake. Here is the relevant passage:

Hebrews 10
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
>these people were sanctified
>sanctified by His blood
>they were in covenant (an unbeliever cannot get into covenant with the Lord)
>they had received the Holy Spirit
>The passage calls these people "HIS PEOPLE" in verse 30.
Add to that, he tells us right in the passage that 'sanctified' is referring to saved people.

For me, Hebrews 10 is probably the definitive 'you can lose your salvation' passage.
I even stopped arguing many other passages that defend it because they aren't as clear and shrink down into endless battle because of that, but there just isn't any room in Hebrews 10 for an osas argument. None at all.
 
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*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.
We don't need to wonder what application of the word 'sanctified' the author is using in Hebrews 10. He plainly tells us right in the chapter. And it means the person made perfect in Christ. How you can just close your eyes to that is amazing to me.
 

mailmandan

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We don't need to wonder what application of the word 'sanctified' the author is using in Hebrews 10. He plainly tells us right in the chapter. And it means the person made perfect in Christ. How you can just close your eyes to that is amazing to me.
I already thoroughly explained the application of the word 'sanctified' that the author was using in Hebrews 10. My eyes are wide open, unlike your eyes which ONLY see what they WANT TO SEE.
 
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For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.
...Only if you ignore the fact that 'perfected for all time' means you don't have to make repeated sacrifices to be forgiven like you did under the old system. But osas ignores that context right there in Hebrews 9 & 10 and has decided it means you can't lose the justification you receive through Christ's ministry. It's like you can't even fathom the possibility of an argument different than your own, let alone agree with it, even though it's right there in front of your eyes in the Bible. Indoctrinated people are scary, and you, mmd, scare me.
 
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I already thoroughly explained the application of the word 'sanctified' that the author was using in Hebrews 10. My eyes are wide open, unlike your eyes which ONLY see what they WANT TO SEE.
You're telling me to literally ignore what the chapter says 'sanctified' means. Can't do it, mmd. It's right there in black and white. No explanation required. No 'not reallys' need to be applied. Plain as day.
 

mailmandan

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You're telling me to literally ignore what the chapter says 'sanctified' means.
Continue to ignore the CONTEXT of Hebrews 10 if you wish and remain satisfied with the contradiction between Hebrews 10:10,14 and 10:29 (according to your interpretation) if you wish, but count me out.
 
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MMD that is once again disingenuous. I am going to call you out on this one. Its not acceptable to lie and twist this. Peoples lives are at stake. Here is the relevant passage:

Hebrews 10
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
>these people were sanctified
>sanctified by His blood
>they were in covenant (an unbeliever cannot get into covenant with the Lord)
>they had received the Holy Spirit
>The passage calls these people "HIS PEOPLE" in verse 30.
When a person sins they do it willfully. Willfully denying the will of God that works in us to both will and perform His good pleasure .
God cannot deny himself if he began the good work in us. He will finish it.

We are not of those who draw back to perdition but drawn to forgiveness called repenting a work of God .

If any man say they sin not they make God out to be the liar.
 

Chris1975

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Continue to ignore the CONTEXT of Hebrews 10 if you wish and remain satisfied with the contradiction between Hebrews 10:10,14 and 10:29 (according to your interpretation) if you wish, but count me out.
There is no contradiction. It's perfect harmony.
 

mailmandan

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There is no contradiction. It's perfect harmony.
I strongly disagree that "your interpretation" of Hebrews 10:10,14 and Hebrews 10:29 are in perfect harmony, but you have your agenda.
Carry on...
 

Noose

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I already thoroughly explained the application of the word 'sanctified' that the author was using in Hebrews 10. My eyes are wide open, unlike your eyes which ONLY see what they WANT TO SEE.
The word has been used 3 times, it can't mean 3 or 2 different things, just one.
If it says one can lose sanctification, then that's what it says. You can't force another meaning
 

Chris1975

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When a person sins they do it willfully. Willfully denying the will of God that works in us to both will and perform His good pleasure .
God cannot deny himself if he began the good work in us. He will finish it.

We are not of those who draw back to perdition but drawn to forgiveness called repenting a work of God .

If any man say they sin not they make God out to be the liar.
Look at the Amplified version of Hebrews 10v26. That will explain. It's not the slip you are referring to. The mindset as explained in the Amplified Translation is one of a person who has SET their minds to pursue the earthly, fleshy desires.
We know this truth. That is why we preach against this living. OSAS has softened all of this (actually denied it altogether, that these scriptures mean what they say). This thinking leads to a faith that is not OVERCOMING. And this poison pill kills.
I am not preaching death to you (which is what your heart sees in this). I am preaching life to you.
 

mailmandan

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The word has been used 3 times, it can't mean 3 or 2 different things, just one.
If it says one can lose sanctification, then that's what it says. You can't force another meaning
See post #19.
 

Chris1975

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I strongly disagree that "your interpretation" of Hebrews 10:10,14 and Hebrews 10:29 are in perfect harmony, but you have your agenda.
Carry on...
Unlike you, I have remained true to the definition of sanctification all the way through from Heb 10v10 to Heb 10v29.
Let the reader decide for themselves between us, as to who is telling the truth.
 

Noose

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In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a ongoing, willful, habitual action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). *Hermeneutics.

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as eternal IN-securists teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) I've heard eternal IN-securists try to get around the truth here by either saying forever doesn't really mean forever or "once for all and for all time" ONLY applies to "the offering of the body of Jesus Christ," but not to the person who is sanctified. Yet in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians, not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as a professing believer in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but later renounces his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew Christian community of believers was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
Long post, nothing relevant. Why don't you narrow down to one issue and be precise. Too many words do not necessarily add credibility of what you are saying.
 

Chris1975

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It is the height of pride for a person to place their own doctrine above that of the Word of God.