That Hebrews 10v26 Thread

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oyster67 said:
For the benefit of those who are just tuning in:

Hebrews 10
10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
10:21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised;)
10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

pretty well nails home the fact that we are now addressing born again believers at this point.
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The verses contrast at multiple points in hebrews 10...:rolleyes:

verse 13

verse 27

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39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.



We, God's children believe to the saving of the soul.
(regardless of what the nay sayers believe)


Also earlier when you addressed abiding in the vine, that parable is to separate wheat from tares. Those who He does not abide in who are completely void of all actual good fruit since it can not bare good fruit of itself, to those He abides in, the parable in context has nothing to do with the loss of salvation. It has to do with the power of God working in us.


(to abide would be a descriptive term in regards to saving faith, not a requirement)
 
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PennEd said:
Kinda like these works guys do today. They say “Yeah, Jesus is great, but we still have to do works and be a sinless perfectionist to stay saved”.

They simply do NOT trust Jesus to keep them saved. Incredibly sad. I honestly feel sorry for them.
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Works is a must- just my opinion :cool:
Don't feel sorry for me though.
 
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Chris1975 said:
You don't pop in and out of salvation like that. It's not how it works. You are saved and you remain saved until such time as you totally reject Christ, willfully reject living by the Spirit and jumping headlong into serving the flesh without any remorse or compunction for change. Then, you are out. Once and for good. That threshold is NOT easily attained, because God doesn't give up on us that easily. He wants all to come to repentance and he is full of Mercy.

If you love God, you will never reach that point. If you don't love God, you will end up there.

Do you love God with all of your heart?
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yes i do. but i also want to say i believe you can turn to other gods and come back. because israel turned to other gods in o.t. all the time and God said come back and i receive you. its same now. i know people who were christians they became muslims and odinists and then came back to Christ have been for years now
 
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I was already there, i don't need to be invited.
Thanks
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I am good with that, we are still waiting for someone to prove the premise of Not By Works wrong ... that is why it keeps going.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I am good with that, we are still waiting for someone to prove the premise of Not By Works wrong ... that is why it keeps going.
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Why don't you prove it right first?

And is very very easy to put a theory to a falsification test.
Try me and see your beloved theory fall just now.
 
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JohnW34 said:
Thank you for this honest sharing.
This highlights a problem of knowing grace and sanctification. Grace is given so we can grow and work through our issues. Sanctification is the walk of change that starts when we meet Jesus, and our road to resurrection.

You are hyper sensitive to suggestions, so need to apply grace excessively to get a good walk with the Lord.
For others hard rules stop them straying where angels fear to tread. It is why our emphasis and walks are different.
It is also why pedantic theologians can end of causing more problems than they solve.
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hey. i took interest in this post here. but english isnt my real language so can you explain it a bit more to me. what do you mean hyper sensitive to suggestions?

i agree that people react differently, like some people they need a loving guy to come to them understand them and listen to them and gently tell them like maybe you should this maybe you shouldnt that. and for some guys they need that tough love that say hey idiot stop doing that are you crazy?

its different for all people.

can you also explain what is pedantic theologians?
 
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Why don't you prove it right first?

And is very very easy to put a theory to a falsification test.
Try me and see your beloved theory fall just now.
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Scripture through proper hermeneutics has proven it true.

When you have proper biblical hermeneutics then we will talk.... otherwise even in the scientific method variables need to be controlled for to make a reliable and valid conclusion.

Correct hermeneutics in biblical interpretation is the main control variable.
 
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Noose said:
Why don't you prove it right first?

And is very very easy to put a theory to a falsification test.
Try me and see your beloved theory fall just now.
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Proof?




"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"
Romans 3:24, KJV
Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:


"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

😁
 
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EleventhHour said:
Scripture through proper hermeneutics has proven it true.

When you have proper biblical hermeneutics then we will talk.... otherwise even in the scientific method variables need to be controlled for to make a reliable and valid conclusion.

Correct hermeneutics in biblical interpretation is the main control variable.
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can you translate this to me
 
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Chris1975 said:
Look at the Amplified version of Hebrews 10v26. That will explain. It's not the slip you are referring to. The mindset as explained in the Amplified Translation is one of a person who has SET their minds to pursue the earthly, fleshy desires.
We know this truth. That is why we preach against this living. OSAS has softened all of this (actually denied it altogether, that these scriptures mean what they say). This thinking leads to a faith that is not OVERCOMING. And this poison pill kills.
I am not preaching death to you (which is what your heart sees in this). I am preaching life to you.
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What I am referring to is what you call a slip. . . willful sin. All sin in willfull in doing the will of oneself or another like the father of lies and not of God. The certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Not the believers. Better things accompany those that believe. A call to repentance.

Its not OSAS that softens our heart but the mixing of faith, the gospel. False pride hardens one.
 
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Melach said:
can you translate this to me
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I believe it is along the lines of saying "You've built on a weak and crumbling foundation which causes discussion to be fruitless without you going back to the basics .... take those goggles off and lets start again without bias."
 
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Melach said:
hey. i took interest in this post here. but english isnt my real language so can you explain it a bit more to me. what do you mean hyper sensitive to suggestions?

i agree that people react differently, like some people they need a loving guy to come to them understand them and listen to them and gently tell them like maybe you should this maybe you shouldnt that. and for some guys they need that tough love that say hey idiot stop doing that are you crazy?

its different for all people.

can you also explain what is pedantic theologians?
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hyper sensitive - means an idea that could be true but is too extreme rather than being ignored is taken seriously.
So loving someone can be taken you must always hug them, or express over positive liking for everything they do.

pedantic theologians - one phrase does not define everything.
 
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can you translate this to me
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Melach you are a ray of sunshine in my life....even when you disagree with me. :D

Learning some new English words.... here you go...

Hermeneutics:
Definition: What does the word mean?
The rule of usage: It must be remembered that the Old Testament was written originally by, to and for Jews.
The rule of context: The meaning must be gathered from the context.
The rule of HISTORICAL BACKGROUND/Context (key)
The rule of Reason: When interpreting Scripture, the use of reason is everywhere absolute necessary
 
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EleventhHour said:
Scripture through proper hermeneutics has proven it true.

When you have proper biblical hermeneutics then we will talk.... otherwise even in the scientific method variables need to be controlled for to make a reliable and valid conclusion.

Correct hermeneutics in biblical interpretation is the main control variable.
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Mine is a very simple test which first, directly deals with salvation itself (not if it can be lost or not). It basically asks, what a man must do to inherit the kingdom of God. And when i say man i mean mankind- young and old, male and female, because all have sinned.

Q1. How many ways can a man get saved?
Q2. If a one year old child dies (God forbid), are they going to heaven (saved) or condemned to hell?
Q2. If they are saved, how did they achieve that?

These are very simple questions, i need you honest opinion.
 
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OneOfHis said:
I believe it is along the lines of saying "You've built on a weak and crumbling foundation which causes discussion to be fruitless without you going back to the basics .... take those goggles off and lets start again without bias."
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Most excellent friend!! :)
 
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EleventhHour said:
Melach you are a ray of sunshine in my life....even when you disagree with me. :D

Learning some new English words.... here you go...

Hermeneutics:
Definition: What does the word mean?
The rule of usage: It must be remembered that the Old Testament was written originally by, to and for Jews.
The rule of context: The meaning must be gathered from the context.
The rule of HISTORICAL BACKGROUND/Context (key)
The rule of Reason: When interpreting Scripture, the use of reason is everywhere to be
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thanks sis i love you too. i think we agree on most things. i agree with those hermeneutics those are the best way. like i said in not by works topic you can use the bible to prove anything really its such a big book. so if we dont use hermeneutics you can prove anything you want.
 
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Mine is a very simple test which first, directly deals with salvation itself (not if it can be lost or not). It basically asks, what a man must do to inherit the kingdom of God. And when i say man i mean mankind- young and old, male and female, because all have sinned.

Q1. How many ways can a man get saved?
Q2. If a one year old child dies (God forbid), are they going to heaven (saved) or condemned to hell?
Q2. If they are saved, how did they achieve that?

These are very simple questions, i need you honest opinion.
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Are you telling me in this post you do not know the plan of salvation as laid out in the Gospels?
 
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JohnW34 said:
hyper sensitive - means an idea that could be true but is too extreme rather than being ignored is taken seriously.
So loving someone can be taken you must always hug them, or express over positive liking for everything they do.

pedantic theologians - one phrase does not define everything.
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maybe i am hyper sensitive because i read it and usually take it for what it says.

you can imagine my horror when i read that anyone born of God wont sin. there are many like total statements like that in the bible so i was hyper focused on that one thing instead of looking at the whole message.

like in revelation it says here are those who keep commandments of God, i would take it hyper sensitive that this means they are 100% perfect in keeping commandments but thats not what it means i know now. its in general i believe.
 
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