Not By Works

How about you explain your position clearly...that is always best.

I do not wish to argue theology Anyone here who knows me understands this

just Want to discuss the Bible and what each of us believes

If you are correct and did not lie
you stated once a person is born again. Made olive saved by grace
they are saved forever correct?
or am I mistaken?

Agree

At least we now know what side of the fence you are on. Bye.

Welp.... all we can do is just be honest and patient and do our best to share the truth and let everyone have a chance to speak...


I think it's wise to pay attention to what others may encourage but at the same time it is really easy to misunderstand some people if we read really quickly and I've agreed with people I disagree with lol

and once I didnt know one of the trouble makers and when i was new i came in defending them not yet seeing their subtle and dishonest tactics....

Interesting observation. When we read scripture, we have to interpret the meanings of the words so we understand its full context and the meaning the writer is intending. With scripture being so involved and complex this is not necessarily obvious. If I take Jesus calling me to hate my family, that would be a very cult like behaviour, but a literalist reading would say this, or carrying my cross, when I do not actually own a cross, and do not know the benefit of trying to carry a 50kg cross around work all day.

So scripture says I have eternal life. Amen.

Yes I agree we have to use good hermeneutics to understand scripture as it was originally intended to be understood and by the Holy Spirit.

The question remains does eternal life mean to you that salvation is secure and saved is saved?

So judgemental. So does this mean I am now not saved, but if I said yes to the label OSAS I would be?

@PS I am not feeling the love at this moment with all those red X's

See you stated that to me once ...big mistake I have an excellent memory

Amen

But when you where shown you quickly adjusted

It used to be that if you could prove with scripture, most people would accept Scripture as proof that they were wrong.

Now, in this later days, I have noticed that most people dig in their heals, and start making excuses why those Scriptures do not mean what they actually say. I think it is part of the great falling away from truth. Verses LIKE THESE:

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Romans 5:8-11 (HCSB)
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We have now received this reconciliation through Him.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Is it a label?

The only ones who attemp to make it a label are those supposed to what I says. That one a person is saved their salvation is secure forever unconditionally

I won't defend anything that does not ring true.... even if I said it....🤣

Here is the dilemma. A promise of eternal life is eternal life to the elect.
But to the lost, the promise is not fulfilled. Is it not fulfilled because of failure of their faith present time,
or what will happen later? And are we called to bring doubt in the elects mind today by introducing doubt
because to the lost it literally does not matter though they will think it applies to them also.

Jesus's promises are to the elect, His sheep, and He defines them well.
I have had believers literally deny Jesus's words on obedience and walking in His ways, and then claim Jesus's
promises apply to them, even though their very rebellion declares they are not His sheep.

But only the elect understand this. Which is ironic on a forum for unbelievers and believers. But then Jesus
faced the same issue, but it is a little mind bending, God bless you

If you believe in the elect, chosen of God before the beginning of time and written in the Lambs book of life then is that not OSAS?

Afterall if chosen by God from the beginning of time and in the book then you cannot be written out.

As for Judas he obviously was not one of the elect therefore never saved to begin with.

Imagine our politicians holding to that same level of integrity; I’d be singing Sam Cooke’s, What a Wonderful World (it would be) 😎

What part of grace being an unmerited, unearned gift do you not understand?

Peter openly declared he was not a follower of Jesus.

Was he saved when he denied Jesus?


Yup.
There is no dilemma when you separate mans judgment from Gods judgement.


Our words and actions before man can surely make us appear to not be a part of Christs body.....

But God sees deeper and knows who He has started in despite what might make you lack confidence in someone else.




I'd agree... to call good evil and evil good is not of God.....
To do evil and justify it as "good" certainly would make it appear that this person is void of the indwelling Holy Spirit or a heart that desires to conform to the will of God.....

God saved His own appart from their performance, knowing where they would stumble....


Peter knew better than to do what he did and man could say "of course he is not a believer he said he wasnt"....


if a parent says

"i steal because i need to feed my family"

and justifies it before a man who rightfully rebuked him.... it doesnt mean he isnt crying to God and asking for an opportunity behind closed doors



i wont pretend to know who else is saved


but those who are saved

are saved forever

and appart from their own merit