A Distinction Between Tongues

Take it easy, no need for threats, accusations and calling people morons. All I did was tell an experience, post some scripture and ask some valid questions.
You must remember mam, out of the abundance of the heart we speak. What comes out of the mouth is considered fruit which others rightly judge you by.

Great analogy - yes, in many examples I've heard, its very obvious the speaker is making a conscious effort in making it up as they go along rather than just letting his/her subconscious take over to create the glossic strings. Some speakers want it to sound like a real language. A common feature among American speakers is trilling/rolling the 'r' - makes it 'sound' more unlike English.

At some point (hopefully in the next few months), I want to do a You Tube post of me speaking several 'samples' of tongues-speech; some of them will be actual tongues-speech I've transcribed, a few will be just making it up as I go along, and a few will be real, rational language (though not very common ones). The listeners task will be to determine which is which and why they think so. I'm really curious to see what the results will turn out to be. Anyone can learn tongues-speech in a matter of minutes; it's just overcoming one's inhibition to play with the sounds of language.

This is history. According to Edwards, Seymour thought bible tongues were voodoo tongues just as he grew up around. So he mixed that with Wesley Methodism and we have the Charismatic movement with all its varieties. Any body can speak gibberish and it not necessarily be of Satan. People get a buzz doing it and think it's the Holy Spirit. But it's not. If you knew what the real consisted of, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I’d like to see the video, sincerely. I personally believe scripture reveals the gift of tongues to be the speaking of someone else’s native language to spread the gospel. But I am also not about to say that there is no heavenly language and the Holy Spirit won’t lead people to speak it. Who am I to limit what God does?
My concern is those who falsely speak in tongues, I believe that to be lying. As a Christian Ive been given a love for all men and the desire that they be saved. If my “brother” lies regularly about anything I would bring it to his attention, no matter the subject.
And on a personal note, I’m sure you’ve weighed the cost of the YouTube video, people, “Christians” can be ravenous, it won’t be pretty in the comments section.

I hope none of this comes across as sarcasm or judgmental. 👍

Your evidence here I'd false evidence. Late in his ministry Paul healed all the sick brought to him on an island. Gifts aren't,t superpowers where Superman flies whenever he wants at will. God granted Paul to do great miracles in Ephesus. Peter prayed before raising Tabitha.

On one occasion, early in his ministry (probably Acts 14 and definitely by Acts 16) Paul ended up in Galatia because of an illness--to he Galatians would have been willing to give their own eyes to him. He and Barnabas were both miracle workers. But Paul got sick.

This was early on, before the great miracles of Ephesus, likely around the time when Paul saw the lame man had faith to be healed. Notice that connection.

And would miracles be front page news? Probably not because plenty of need people have your bias to not research such things and to dismiss things out if hand. There are exceptions. I read the newspapers reported healings in San Diego during McPherson's early meetings. I pointed out some local news coverage on Delia Knox earlier. Christian media does cover healings and there are probably thousands of testimonies honest person to comb through before saying their is no evidence.

Calling all speaking in tongues voodoo is dangerous. Some of Christ's opponents accused Him if casting out demons by Beelzebub though he did it by the Spirit of God. He warned them that blaspheming/speaking against the Holy Spirit was unforgivable.

Quote " If there is no interpreter you are to keep it to yourself. If they were praying there is nothing wrong with that. If they were all yelling over each other, that would be wrong. Nothing against praying in the spirit. Is there something wrong with women pastors? Watch your step, there are women pastors at CC.

Yes, I believe it be a lie and wrong and that person will be judged for it. That doesn't mean everyone who speaks in tongues is a liar and a fraud, and hope you're not indicating that.

No doubt. I have a pastor friend, as I posted above, that was told the way to salvation in his own language through tongues. He has a huge church now. Was that demonic? Did satan do that? Did that person make up the words? Yes, people misuse the gift, don't tar everyone with one brush. "

Please point out the word moron. Please point out where I accused you of anything. Now point out where I threatened you. I think you're being a little dramatic. As far as judging my words, people here know me, you do not. Last time I checked, God was our judge, maybe you should leave it with Him.

This was in Acts. The Epistles show an absence of the gifts.

“Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.” (2 Timothy 4:20) (KJV 1900)

“Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.” (1 Timothy 5:23) (KJV 1900)

“Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.” (Galatians 4:12–15) (KJV 1900)

(alternate translation of the above passage) “you know that previously I preached the gospel to you because of a physical illness. You did not despise or reject me though my physical condition was a trial for you. On the contrary, you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself.” (Galatians 4:13–14)(HCSB)

“What happened to this sense of being blessed you had? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have torn out your eyes and given them to me.” (Galatians 4:15)(HCSB)

“For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.” (Philippians 2:26–27) (KJV 1900)

Paul left Trophimus in Miletus when he was sick (II Tim 4:20), and Epaphroditus was sick to the point of death (Phil 2:27). Timothy was encouraged to use wine for his stomach ailments (1 Tim 5:23). God never removed Paul's thorn in the flesh (II Cor 12:1-10).

Be conformed to the image of Christ.
Ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Nobody taught the believers in Acts how to speak in tongues. It happened without knowing what to expect.

Sorry but this is a red herring. Some truth but not definitive truth. Scripture declares tongues as no longer necessary. Pentecostals abuse the concept of tongues for their own purposes.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If you had the gifts, you would be a world wide top story.

Amen, God sets the limits that he himself is subject to. So that we might have full trust. He cannot lie or change his one standard again. . that he himself is subject to .

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

I would offer the heavenly language is "prophecy" . The doctrines of God fall down like rain . . spoken of in Deuteronomy. I think a person could say the "heavenly language" by which God speaks to his down to earth people. And drawing their attention upwards.

Like Jesus said. Marvel not, or wonder not. This is even at the greatest of miracles (born again) .In that way all of prophecy is the source of wonderment. His faith, as it is written reveling the unseen . Revealed . . it seems when two or three gather together in respect to that wonderment representing his name. . . he is there working with each one. Two representing the witness of God.

They didn't mock Peter, or Paul when working miracles.