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FlyingDove

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A dangerous plan implied

First let me say, I love my country & support Israel. I voted for Trump, not because I agree with everything he say's or does. In my opinion he was the best choice offered.

The newly proposed middle east peace plan is a disaster. The idea of anyone giving away Israeli land, especially a piece of Jerusalem, is a huge mistake.

God established that the land of Israel belongs to Him (Lev 25:23, Deut 11:12

God has placed His name in Jerusalem (II Chronicles 6:6, I Kings 9:3

God established His covenant with Abraham & promises to bless those who bless Israel: (Gen 12:2-3, 13:14, 15:17-18

God gives the exact boundaries of the promised land in Num 34:1-15 (also: Deut 1:8, Ex 2:24, Ex 6:4, 8 & Ps 105:8-11

King David "bought" the threshing floor (37 acre Temple Mt area) from Araunah the Jebusite. & built an altar to the Lord so that a “plague may be held back from the people” (2 Sam 24:18, 21 & 1 Chron 21)

READ & PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO: Num 34:1-15

(George Bush tried to give away Israeli land. Barack Obama & now Donald Trump also proposed giving away Israeli land. It's not theirs to give or negotiate away. God gave it to Israel in a "Everlasting Covenant"

God states that the covenant of the Land is based on "His" eternal character, "Not" on Israel's own righteousness. He makes clear that even when they forsake His will, He will "NEVER" forget His covenant (Lev:26:42-45, Jer 31:35-37, Ps 89:30-37

God will restore Israel (After 2000 yrs DONE 1948) for the sake of His holy name: (Eze. 37:17-23, 39:25-29, Jer 33:23-26)

God says He will gather the exiles & bring them home to Israel (Began in 1948 & continues today) (Isa 11:1-12 & many other scriptures)

The national, physical restoration of Israel In the last days (THATS US NOW) is a necessary and prophesied step towards restoration and ultimate redemption for the entire world: Ezek 36:24-29, 37:11-14, Jer 3:1:8-10, 31:3134, Amos 9:14-15)

All The Above Are True because GOD Is NOT a man that He should lie. Num 23:19

On Nov, 9 2012 The UN recognize Palestine (a bunch of Jordanian squatter's in 1948) as a state. & proclaimed East Jerusalem to belong to them. Like Bush, Obama & now Trump. The UN can't give away God's gift to Israel either

Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Anyone that takes part in giving away Israeli land is begging for a world of Hurt!

NOTE: To the Donald: DON'T DO IT!
 

Ruby123

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This made me laugh because when
I would call my cat she would come but when my sister would call her she just refused.


 
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The argument from contingency is one of the best arguments for the existence of God. Leibniz's version is particularly compelling.
 
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IFOLLOWHIM

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Speaking my mind!
I am so disheartened by what I see in the believers today.
I cannot see the heart,therefore I cannot judge who is of us nor a child of God.
I can see however the spirit and actions that folks display who call themselves " christian".
We live in such a time of heresys,apostasy,followers of men and their doctrines,self- righteousness,
deniers of the truth,and I just don't cares.
The world hated and hates Jesus,therefore so should it hate us.
Who is the bride among us?
 
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FollowingtheLamb

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Ok brothers and sisters, I am heart heavy and spirit weary.
Heres' the thing. I have for a while been sharing the the love of the Lord and urging a young lady of about 17 to become a believer. Gently, without pressure, just loving her and talking to her. About six weeks ago I noticed on on of her social media account a post that indicated she may have made the decision. I reached out to her and invited her back to church, emphasized that if she was a new believer she needed the encouragement and companionship of like minded young people. She told me she had not definitely committed yet but was praying and reading the material I had given her. I have not seen her since that time.
Two nights ago, she was spending the night with her best friend from school. The friend's stepfather took a shotgun and killed everyone in the home and then himself.
I am tortured. I have cried out to God, but I think my grief is getting in the way...should I have pressured her, instead of my gentle ministrations, should I have been more urgent? Is she in Heaven? I am trying to see the lesson in it all and it evades me....
 
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EleventhHour

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Ok brothers and sisters, I am heart heavy and spirit weary.
Heres' the thing. I have for a while been sharing the the love of the Lord and urging a young lady of about 17 to become a believer. Gently, without pressure, just loving her and talking to her. About six weeks ago I noticed on on of her social media account a post that indicated she may have made the decision. I reached out to her and invited her back to church, emphasized that if she was a new believer she needed the encouragement and companionship of like minded young people. She told me she had not definitely committed yet but was praying and reading the material I had given her. I have not seen her since that time.
Two nights ago, she was spending the night with her best friend from school. The friend's stepfather took a shotgun and killed everyone in the home and then himself.
I am tortured. I have cried out to God, but I think my grief is getting in the way...should I have pressured her, instead of my gentle ministrations, should I have been more urgent? Is she in Heaven? I am trying to see the lesson in it all and it evades me....
This is a very tragic situation for sure. Having lost friends to suicide there is no easy answer...be thankful you were able to share the Gospel with her and let God take care of the rest.
 

Subhumanoidal

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Ok brothers and sisters, I am heart heavy and spirit weary.
Heres' the thing. I have for a while been sharing the the love of the Lord and urging a young lady of about 17 to become a believer. Gently, without pressure, just loving her and talking to her. About six weeks ago I noticed on on of her social media account a post that indicated she may have made the decision. I reached out to her and invited her back to church, emphasized that if she was a new believer she needed the encouragement and companionship of like minded young people. She told me she had not definitely committed yet but was praying and reading the material I had given her. I have not seen her since that time.
Two nights ago, she was spending the night with her best friend from school. The friend's stepfather took a shotgun and killed everyone in the home and then himself.
I am tortured. I have cried out to God, but I think my grief is getting in the way...should I have pressured her, instead of my gentle ministrations, should I have been more urgent? Is she in Heaven? I am trying to see the lesson in it all and it evades me....
You're asking the unknowable as to where she resides now.
But as far as pressuring her, no. Pressuring someone turns them away. Or they'll fake it to get you off their back. It is a decision to be made entirely on their time, not yours.
If a person isn't ready, they aren't ready. The end.