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When do the verses above take place, during the tribulation or at the 2nd coming of Christ or some other time?

Here's how I'm seeing it (and have posted abundantly on it )...

Add in verse 8 [so Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8/Lk21:8-11] and what we see written here is "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" (which I believe are parallel, time-wise [and description-wise], to the SEALS of Rev6).

Rev1:1 says (basically) that the "FUTURE" aspects of that Book (1:19c / 4:1 / 1:1 [also 7:3] <--compare the wording in these verses) "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN (not adverbs)]". I believe this "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period (parallel with a cpl other places where this phrase is used) refers to the specific, limited, future time-period commonly called the "7-yr trib" (which FOLLOWS "our Rapture" [I believe the "was found" word in 5:4 shows that that section follows a "searching judgment," for example, as I've gone into in past posts... as well as Rev5:9 [per the manuscript evidence] saying "US"... etc [other reasons I've shown]).

"The Day of the Lord" (which INCLUDES "judgments as well as the "BLESSINGS" that follow the judgments) is a time period of MUCH DURATION; and 1Th5:2-3 says that it ARRIVES at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" (the FIRST one Jesus listed in His Olivet Discourse [Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ('a certain one' bringing deception)], with MANY MORE "birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that follow on from that INITIAL one; and the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" [which, if you recall I said they are parallel the SEALS] would be SEAL #1; and this then would also be parallel to the "whose COMING/ARRIVAL/advent/presence/parousia" of 2Th2:9a's "man of sin" at the START of the "7-yr period" [parallel Dan9:27a(26)'s wording], where both passages [2Th2 and Dan9:27] cover the ENTIRE 7-yr trib, not merely 3.5 yrs of it).

I could go into more detail, but most people find it too tedious to follow, so I will quit here (I'm sure I've already lost a lot of readers by this point )



[p.s. would appreciate, if you would, your giving a hint of feedback, like providing a blurb about what point it is you think I've made (re: your Q), so I can tell if it "got through" (even if you disagree ). Thanks]

Yes, "house" is usually a term designated to Israel.

Before the Tribulation and before the Second Coming. Between the 1st and 21st centuries.

Jesus cursed Israel and left them desolate, why wouldn't that be exactly who Daniel 9 is talking about? I mean think about, that's exactly what happened, they committed the greatest abomination that could ever be committed, they killed their Messiah. And the Messiah obliterated them for it in AD 70.

You believe THAT was the great tribulation?


THAT'S what you think God's wrath was?
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Jesus cursed Israel and left them desolate, why wouldn't that be exactly who Daniel 9 is talking about? I mean think about, that's exactly what happened, they committed the greatest abomination that could ever be committed, they killed their Messiah. And the Messiah obliterated them for it in AD 70.

Here is some cool thoughts from a friend of mine.

Rome is called "the people of the prince that shall come." Who is this prince? Not "Messiah the Prince" because that refers to Christ. "The prince that shall come" is Anti-Christ! 'He will be the leader of the restored Roman Empire. So, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was but an illustration of a future invasion and destruction to be led by Anti-Christ. This prince will make an agreement with the Jews to protect them from the other nations and this agreement will be set for seven years. This final seven years is the completion of Daniel's 490 year period.

Four decrees that have to do with rebuilding Jerusalem:
536 B.C. (Ez. 1:1-4)
519 B.C. (Ez. 6:1-12)
458 B.C. (Ez. 7:7)
445-6 B.C. (Neh. 2:1-8) Christ is 33 1/2 years old from this date!


NOTE: Between the death of Christ and the signing of this covenant you have the entire Age of the Church, a "great parenthesis" in God's program. The 490 years are in operation only when Israel is in God's will as God's people. When Israel crucified Christ, she was set aside and the "prophetic clock" stopped ticking. But when the church has been caught away to heaven and the Anti-Christ signs his pact with Israel, then the last seven years of Daniel's "70 weeks" will start being fulfilled. This seven year period is know as the Tribulation or the Time of Jacob's Trouble. It is described in Rev. 6-19.

Yes TDW you have to pare it down a little bit, it's hard to read.
Just do it in really small chunks, it's easier for us to follow.

Also i the p.s. intended for me?

I know that scenario very well, I used to believe that way.

Do you think that God didn't pour out his wrath on the Jews in AD 70?

What changed your view?

@John146

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Are those events second coming events?

What changed your view?

.....Not the wrath described in revelation....

no antichrist has been revealed

no second beast


what do you think of revelation 13....14...19....


honestly you lost me


we agree those verses are before the great tribulation like the world has never seen


we disagree this has taken place

then you also skipped right into Gods wrath....

What changed my view was when i ask the Lord to help me read His Word with out any preconceived ideas.

I stopped watching Left Behind movies and listening to Hal Lindsey and started reading the bible.

They have been happening since ad 70, As daniel was told. after the city is destroyed,

the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

I believe these are the same events Jesus spoke of.