Not By Works

Has this ever really happened to you? I’ve been a part of many good works, but I’ve never had a lost person glorify God because of it.

Few know him personally.
And it's almost impossible to pin him down.
One day he's skiing in the Alps.
Next day he's big game hunting in the Serengeti.

What I was worried about is that your above post can come across and seem like they Jesus died to set us free from sin AKA when you come to him the purpose is to stop sinning.

I was concerned that you may have come across as basically saying "He only died for you to stop sinning"

Has this ever really happened to you? I’ve been a part of many good works, but I’ve never had a lost person glorify God because of it.

Heard all about the most interesting man in the world, regardless of his name. Just saying, if anonymity is what you're trying to achieve, answering the question as to whether or not you are "Ralph" isn't going to affect that, making anonymity a moot point.

Just finished reading Romans 5. How can anyone possibly read that chapter and still be a self maintaining, worker bee salvationist? Their theology is woefully incorrect.

I've done a lot of witnessing in the past in the workplace and the only people I talked to who thought salvation was secured by doing good things were unbelievers outside of the church with no relationship with God whatsoever, and didn't even pretend they had one. I've honestly only talked to a couple of people in the church who thought their good works literally earned them salvation.

I remember talking to a crusty Vietnam vet who insisted he will pay for his own sins. The gospel wouldn't make a dent in him no matter how much I tried to explain to him how and why that's impossible to do.

I've done a lot of witnessing in the past in the workplace and the only people I talked to who thought salvation was secured by doing good things were unbelievers outside of the church with no relationship with God whatsoever, and didn't even pretend they had one. I've honestly only talked to a couple of people in the church who thought their good works literally earned them salvation.

I remember talking to a crusty Vietnam vet who insisted he will pay for his own sins. The gospel wouldn't make a dent in him no matter how much I tried to explain to him how and why that's impossible to do.

How does one preach the "Good News" devoid of salvation?

The narrative go like this...

"Jesus died for your sins and it will be efficacious for you as long as you believe with all your might, each and every second of every day.

Now God does not lend any help in that endeavour...so you are on your own...I wish you very good luck. Now there is this thing called grace but don't you believe it ...it is all on you."


Obviously this is a counterfeit wouldn't you agree?

The message he peddles is void of truth and void of spiritual power....and as contradictory as it comes...

You must trust JESUS and have faith for salvation and then you must MAINTAIN it....HAHAHAHAHHa

such idiocy......and absolutely NO trust or faith in that poppycock message......!!

It is so obvious he has twisted things to fit his own personal agenda.

That is because YOU have no gospel and NO power to be found in your message.......the Holy Spirit does not accompany a message that is false......and make no mistake...what you peddle is false....!!

Amen!
As false as false can be.
How many on here trying to correct him.

One would think a person would wonder why he has a different Gospel than everyone else.

I know.....he will pay for his devaluation of Jesus, the truth, the promises of Christ and the false gospel he spreads like butter on toast......

I flat despise people that devalue JESUS and his promises by interjecting themselves in a self saving dogmatic false gospel that states man must sustain that which JESUS promises to keep, sustain, finish and complete.....I know I fail JESUS in MANY ways yet I will ALWAYS point to HIS ALL SUFFICIENT POWER, PROMISES and GRACE to save and keep saved a believer by HIS POWER......

@Judges1318 does not respond to me, and neither you I see, not surprised. ... he only responds to those whom he thinks he can convince.

Probably has us on ignore......oh well......not that I care...I will still engage so any reading along can see that his drivel is false

What, if Matthew was all we had what could be ascertained in regards to the Law that Jesus is speaking about. He is extremely specific so Bear with me please. Let's start in verse 14. The Subject of 14 through 17 is light. That does not change until verse 18. Then the subject changes to Heaven. But only briefly.

So what does our Savior tell us about light? What is it and what is it's purpose?

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
(Mat 5:14-21 KJV)

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

So light and good works are basically synonyms. Or if you will those that are light produce good works that glorify God.

As was put discussed The Subject of 14 through 17 is light. So with that being said everything in verse 17 is being stated in regards to this light that shines that men may see our good works that God be glorified.

So in relation to this light that shines that men may see our good works that God be glorified Jesus says, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (caused to be)."

So with the light that is to shine that men may see our good works that God be glorified being the subject. Then the Law that is being mentioned is being said in context to that. That means that The good works that shine from the light that God be glorified is of the Law.

Has all been fulfilled, caused to happen that was in the prophets?

NO!

Has heaven and earth passed?

NO!

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(Mat 5:19 KJV)

So how is it Jesus is fulfilling the Law in relation to the context Matt 5:18-6:18 and beyond?

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
(Mat 5:18-48 KJV)

Even though I totally disagree with most of the twisted anti-gospel blather he posts (judges).....we cannot alleviate this truth that was inspired by God and or the other inspired phrases that say the same thing or imply similar truths......

MANY that witnessed the miracles of Jesus and the apostles gave glory to God and even said things like WE have never seen such things.......even lost men on occasion THANK GOD even though they do not know JESUS by faith.

It really troubles me that you stand against these truths.......and or question these truths just because YOU have not seen it....NOT everything is seen or heard, some may think it or say it under their breath or tell someone about it days, months, or even years after the fact.......

Judge NOT before the day.....we just do not have the full story or picture at times and all will come out in the proverbial wash in the end......

Has all been fulfilled, caused to happen that was in the prophets?

NO!

Has heaven and earth passed?

NO!