If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

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When HE returns HE dose not even come down on the earth, THE saints meet HIM in the CLOUDS, GOD bless as HE sees fit
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Firstly, the saints who are in heaven return with him in a disembodied form. At this point, their bodies are joined with their disembodied spirits at this time. This is called the resurrection.

Secondly, the saints who are still alive are changed instantly, and rise to meet him in the air.

Jesus and the saints war against the evil and destroy them.

Jesus and the saints then dwell on the earth following this battle.

SDAs believe in "soul sleep", and reject eternal punishment, so I imagine your understanding of this is different, though. You probably haven't taken the time to understand biblical Christianity.
 
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Firstly, the saints who are in heaven return with him in a disembodied form. At this point, their bodies are joined with their disembodied spirits at this time. This is called the resurrection.

Secondly, the saints who are still alive are changed instantly, and rise to meet him in the air.

Jesus and the saints war against the evil and destroy them.

Jesus and the saints then dwell on the earth following this battle.

SDAs believe in "soul sleep", and reject eternal punishment, so I imagine your understanding of this is different, though. You probably haven't taken the time to understand biblical Christianity.
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Daniel 12:2 tells you they are asleep in the DUST,, AS JOB 7:21 dose all so. GOD bless as HE sees fit
 
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I don't think you understand my point.

If God only sanctified one day, that means only 24 hours are set aside.

SDAs use the "sunset to sunset" rule.

If a French Polynesian uses this rule, then his Sabbath is beginning and ending 12 hours later than a SDA in Jerusalem.

Therefore, someone all over the world is observing the Sabbath for 36 hours.

So, in your theology, someone is actually resting on part of Sunday rather than Saturday, in terms of Jerusalem time.

The Mosaic Law, including the calendar observance of days, was meant for ancient Israel, though, so it was not an issue for them. It is an issue if you try to globalize the Mosaic Covenant observances though.
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Are you trying to tell me, that GOD give us a DAY to keep that is not possible to KEEP, I assure you that GOD didn't give us a day that couldn't be kept. Most people just don't want to obey GODs WORD, And tries to find reasons not to obey GOD, GOD bless as HE sees fit
 
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Are you trying to tell me, that GOD give us a DAY to keep that is not possible to KEEP, I assure you that GOD didn't give us a day that couldn't be kept. Most people just don't want to obey GODs WORD, And tries to find reasons not to obey GOD, GOD bless as HE sees fit
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Do you believe that your salvation stands or falls on whether or not you set out to keep the weekly sabbath day? Is that what you are trusting in for salvation?
 
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Do you believe that your salvation stands or falls on whether or not you set out to keep the weekly sabbath day? Is that what you are trusting in for salvation?
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A simple answer of YES or NO will do. Why the hesitation to answer my question? :unsure:
 
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Are you trying to tell me, that GOD give us a DAY to keep that is not possible to KEEP, I assure you that GOD didn't give us a day that couldn't be kept. Most people just don't want to obey GODs WORD, And tries to find reasons not to obey GOD, GOD bless as HE sees fit
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No, I am not saying that.

I don't care what day you keep.

I do care that you are a Judaizer, trying to tell people they need to keep the Jewish Sabbath for salvation.

The Mosaic Law is not in effect. I already provided the verses.

Period.

End of sentence.

And I don't like it that you keep accusing others of being disobedient when your organization promotes the murder of helpless, innocent children through its' abortion policies.

And, I especially don't like it that your organization says Satan is the sin-bearer, because he is not, and anyone with a superficial knowledge of Christianity knows that.

And, again, I don't like it that you accuse Christians of not caring about obedience to God. As a Judaizer Sabbathkeeper, I didn't accuse them but I supported the organization that did. Your religion is nothing but a sham created by a kooky brain-damaged woman and a handful of kooky men who forbade eating meat in the name of Christianity, knowing all along that Jesus ate lamb and fish. He also drank wine, which is another thing they forbade.

Funny thing is that Ellen G. White herself ate pot roast and oysters, while claiming that meat was forbidden..she even writes about it. And, her robust figure definitely didn't suggest that she cared that much about eating moderately either.
 
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Are you trying to tell me, that GOD give us a DAY to keep that is not possible to KEEP, I assure you that GOD didn't give us a day that couldn't be kept. Most people just don't want to obey GODs WORD, And tries to find reasons not to obey GOD, GOD bless as HE sees fit
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By the way, folks, this is the perpetual attitude of Sabbathkeepers.

They will continue to claim that non-observers don't care about obeying God, but THEY do.

And, they point to minor issues like days and diets to point others to their righteousness...

All along they know almost nothing about salvation concepts. For instance, I bet this guy can't describe the doctrine of union with Christ. Why? Because Judaizers are stunted in terms of their growth, if they are saved at all.
 
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Daniel 12:2 tells you they are asleep in the DUST,, AS JOB 7:21 dose all so. GOD bless as HE sees fit
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Paul says that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, and Revelation describes dead saints in heaven reigning with Jesus.

The physical body is dead, and appears to be asleep, but that says nothing about the spirit of the person.

In SDA theology, though, you will claim that man is basically only physical, and doesn't possess a spiritual component. You believe life starts at the first breath, and I suspect that is why abortion is acceptable in Adventism. As long as you terminate the life before it breathes, it isn't a real person.

So, grinding a baby to oblivion isn't an issue with your organization, if it's a child afflicted with a congenital deformity like Down's Syndrome.

ADVENTIST HOSPITALS MURDER BABIES
 
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mailmandan said:
Do you believe that your salvation stands or falls on whether or not you set out to keep the weekly sabbath day? Is that what you are trusting in for salvation?
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Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27. But I certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries. This tells us if we sin when we know that we will be sinning, JESUS blood WILL not COVER that sin, Until we repent of that sin and ask GOD to cleans US and forgive us of that sin. He keeps us under the BLOOD as long as we do not choose to sin. GOD bless as HE sees fit
 
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Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27. But I certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries. This tells us if we sin when we know that we will be sinning, JESUS blood WILL not COVER that sin, Until we repent of that sin and ask GOD to cleans US and forgive us of that sin. He keeps us under the BLOOD as long as we do not choose to sin. GOD bless as HE sees fit
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You still have not answered my question from post #544. I’m looking for a YES or NO answer. Are you implying that those who do not set out to keep the weekly sabbath day are willfully sinning and will not be saved? :unsure:

In regards to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual and stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and “accidentally” fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, habitual continuous action with no goal or effort to stop. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).
 
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You still have not answered my question from post #544. I’m looking for a YES or NO answer. Are you implying that those who do not set out to keep the weekly sabbath day and will not be saved? :unsure:

In regards to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual and stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and “accidentally” fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, habitual continuous action with no goal or effort to stop. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).
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If we know to do GOOD and doeth it not it is sin to us, So if I know that I should KEEP the Sabbath and I don't, It would be SIN, I would be sinning willfully, SO yes Unless I repent of that sin I would be lost if JESUS came back before I had repented And ask for forgiveness for that sin.
 
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If we know to do GOOD and doeth it not it is sin to us, So if I know that I should KEEP the Sabbath and I don't, It would be SIN, I would be sinning willfully, SO yes Unless I repent of that sin I would be lost if JESUS came back before I had repented And ask for forgiveness for that sin.
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Show me in the New Testament where the Church/the body of Christ is commanded to keep the weekly sabbath day and where Christians are condemned for failing to do so. If breaking the sabbath was punishable by death in the Old Testament (Exodus 31:14; 35:2), why are Christians not said to be put to death for breaking it in the New Testament?
 
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Show me in the New Testament where the Church/the body of Christ is commanded to keep the weekly sabbath day and where Christians are condemned for failing to do so. If breaking the sabbath was punishable by death in the Old Testament (Exodus 31:14; 35:2), why are Christians not said to be put to death for breaking it in the New Testament?
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Rev 12:17 and the Dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ, Who are they that have the TESTAMONY OF JESUS, They are keeping the COMMANDMENTS, I want to be one of these.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the Saint here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Here JESUS is saying that He is coming quickly , this is HIS second come. and HIS reward for every man.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city. Do you want to enter in through the GATES into the city?????????? HE is telling us that they are keeping the Commandments, I want to enter in through the GATES into the city,
15 Without are dogs in sorcerer's, and whoremongers, and murderers and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Mat 5:17-20 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shell in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven; IF he is called the least by them in heaven,[ This means that He is worse then the LOST, WHY?? Because he is telling people that it is okay to brake GODs LAWS. And causing people tro be LOST, SO HE will not be in HEAVEN FOR he is one of the Worse] but whosoever do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
1 JESUS kept the COMMANDMENTS, The Sabbath is one of the Commandments,
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. Now where in the NEW testament DO you find that HE change, I know HE didn't, Because Constantine in the year 321 Made a law for the people to keep the day of the sun, Look it up, History tells us, GOD bless as HE sees fit.There is much in the BIBLE that show us about GODs HOLY day.
2 Paul Kept the Sabbath, Acts13:42-44 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4.
 
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Rev 12:17 and the Dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ, Who are they that have the TESTAMONY OF JESUS, They are keeping the COMMANDMENTS, I want to be one of these.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the Saint here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Here JESUS is saying that He is coming quickly , this is HIS second come. and HIS reward for every man.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city. Do you want to enter in through the GATES into the city?????????? HE is telling us that they are keeping the Commandments, I want to enter in through the GATES into the city,
15 Without are dogs in sorcerer's, and whoremongers, and murderers and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Mat 5:17-20 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shell in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven; IF he is called the least by them in heaven,[ This means that He is worse then the LOST, WHY?? Because he is telling people that it is okay to brake GODs LAWS. And causing people tro be LOST, SO HE will not be in HEAVEN FOR he is one of the Worse] but whosoever do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye SHALL IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
1 JESUS kept the COMMANDMENTS, The Sabbath is one of the Commandments,
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. Now where in the NEW testament DO you find that HE change, I know HE didn't, Because Constantine in the year 321 Made a law for the people to keep the day of the sun, Look it up, History tells us, GOD bless as HE sees fit.There is much in the BIBLE that show us about GODs HOLY day.
2 Paul Kept the Sabbath, Acts13:42-44 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4.
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the same man . John the Beloved, who was given these visions wrote in his 1st letter that " the Commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another"

no Sabbath keeping mentioned.
 
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the same man . John the Beloved, who was given these visions wrote in his 1st letter that " the Commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another"

no Sabbath keeping mentioned.
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He said all the other hung on them TWO, WHY???? To love GOD is what was on the first commandment stone, 4 commandments to love GOD,
The second stone was the commandments to love your neighbor. So it is the same commandments, Why would you even think, That GOD would Change HIS laws that HE wrote with HIS own FINGER, GOD dose not CHANGE, JESUS tells you that HIS laws would out last HEAVEN AND earth, And both of them are still are HERE. We can see that they are still are HERE,
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the same man . John the Beloved, who was given these visions wrote in his 1st letter that " the Commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another"

no Sabbath keeping mentioned.
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It says they keep the Commandments. The Sabbath is one of the commandments, And if you brake one then BIBLE says you BRAKE them ALL, Is that where you want to be standing when JESUS Comes, I hope NOT, Keeping the Sabbath is one of the commandments that is LOVE to GOD, LOVE in truth NOT in WORDs, Words will not count for nothing when we are standing before GOD. GOD bless as HE sees fit,
 
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It says they keep the Commandments. The Sabbath is one of the commandments, And if you brake one then BIBLE says you BRAKE them ALL, Is that where you want to be standing when JESUS Comes, I hope NOT, Keeping the Sabbath is one of the commandments that is LOVE to GOD, LOVE in truth NOT in WORDs, Words will not count for nothing when we are standing before GOD. GOD bless as HE sees fit,
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that is what I said. John said in 1st John to keep the commands, then he went on to say that the commands are " believe on the name of the Son, and love one another".

he did not say anything about the Sabbath.
 
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that is what I said. John said in 1st John to keep the commands, then he went on to say that the commands are " believe on the name of the Son, and love one another".

he did not say anything about the Sabbath.
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The Sabbath is a commandment, EXODUS 20:8 REMEMBER THE SABBATH,IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS
 
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The Sabbath is a commandment, EXODUS 20:8 REMEMBER THE SABBATH,IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS
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that command was for Israel only. gentiles were and are never under the Law.

John did not anything about the Sabbath when he said the commands were to "believe on the name of the Son and love one another".

care to address that??
 
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