Oneness or trinity, Is Jesus God or man?

I agree. Unfortunately, there seems to be a lot of that going around these days.

It isn't anti-trinitarian. It is pro-scripture.
As you are blind to God telling us/you there is only one?

my statement to show a "man"...your statement "a meaning" of the name...
There are lots of name in the bible and their meaning...


Did he rebuke the Pharisees..when He called God his father..making himself equal to God....
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
the Son deserves worship...even angels worship him. God made Jesus bot Lord and Christ..Acts 2:36



Actually I am saying...The Word who was with God..Who was God...IN THE FLESH..
God prepared the body...Hebrews 10:5


Philippians 2 before he became a man was in form of God and thought it not robbery to be equal with God....
Because he is the Son of God...
I Believed that the Word was God and became Flesh.....


The Father is not the Son..The Son is not the Father..but the Son do whatever the Father do.
so they distinct to each other...

This is how to read that...in hebrews 1..replace the word "God" by Father...
Your throne, O Father...
Therefore Father...Your Father...has anointed you.
One doing the anointing..one anointed..otherwise you are saying God anointed himself




Again, you are just proving..Jesus became Human Being...He needs to be human to be able to suffer death..



The Son with even equal with God...submit himself to God (even the father)...That is what I am saying...He obey God even unto death...That how Jesus want us to see him (Jesus the obedient Son) and his God (Father)...Our God our Father. (The Father is greater than I)


FACT, JESUS DIED...

God raised Jesus to defeat the devil..and give us hope
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


I am just merely suggesting to watch it, to know what error you can find in the video with your 45 years of expertise in the bible.



I agree..100% we need to study the word and discern through the scripture if the teaching is false or not...not just believing those people who said other teaching is false..
because when they say other teaching is false..does not make their teaching is right.


The verse showing two:
Great God and
Saviour Jesus Christ

Great God (Father) and our Saviour Jesus Christ...[/QUOTE]

Good day Watcher2013!

The question to you then, is do you believe that Jesus is God who also became a human being or was He always just a created being?

Who is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the First and the Last? Are those titles only to be applied to God the Father or does Jesus also share those titles?

My point in all of these posts, is to make it known to you that the Father is God and Jesus is God. They share the same nature belonging to the Godhead.[/QUOTE]
my statement to show a "man"...your statement "a meaning" of the name...
There are lots of name in the bible and their meaning...


Did he rebuke the Pharisees..when He called God his father..making himself equal to God....
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
the Son deserves worship...even angels worship him. God made Jesus bot Lord and Christ..Acts 2:36



Actually I am saying...The Word who was with God..Who was God...IN THE FLESH..
God prepared the body...Hebrews 10:5


Philippians 2 before he became a man was in form of God and thought it not robbery to be equal with God....
Because he is the Son of God...
I Believed that the Word was God and became Flesh.....


The Father is not the Son..The Son is not the Father..but the Son do whatever the Father do.
so they distinct to each other...

This is how to read that...in hebrews 1..replace the word "God" by Father...
Your throne, O Father...
Therefore Father...Your Father...has anointed you.
One doing the anointing..one anointed..otherwise you are saying God anointed himself




Again, you are just proving..Jesus became Human Being...He needs to be human to be able to suffer death..



The Son with even equal with God...submit himself to God (even the father)...That is what I am saying...He obey God even unto death...That how Jesus want us to see him (Jesus the obedient Son) and his God (Father)...Our God our Father. (The Father is greater than I)


FACT, JESUS DIED...

God raised Jesus to defeat the devil..and give us hope
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


I am just merely suggesting to watch it, to know what error you can find in the video with your 45 years of expertise in the bible.



I agree..100% we need to study the word and discern through the scripture if the teaching is false or not...not just believing those people who said other teaching is false..
because when they say other teaching is false..does not make their teaching is right.


The verse showing two:
Great God and
Saviour Jesus Christ

Great God (Father) and our Saviour Jesus Christ...[/QUOTE]

Good day Watcher2013!

The question to you then, is do you believe that Jesus is God who also became a human being or was He always just a created being?

Who is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the First and the Last? Are those titles only to be applied to God the Father or does Jesus also share those titles?

My point in all of these posts, is to make it known to you that the Father is God and Jesus is God. They share the same nature belonging to the Godhead.[/QUOTE]
During the Old Testament:
1. in the eyes of Adam and Eve - God is the creator
2. in the eyes of Noah - God is the judge
3. in the eyes of Moses - God is the Saviour
4. in the prophets - God is the king of Israel, God is the First and the Last
and they were told that God is one Lord...
No man has seen God and live to tell the tale.
they do not know, What God look like, What God is made of.
However they missed the following:
1. There's this Holy One that will not see corruption. Isa 40:25, ps 16:10
2. there's this Lord of David who sit at the right hand of the LORD.
3. and there's this Christ (who they believed will be born in Bethlehem), however they missed the part, that this Christ's going forth is from Old, from everlasting.
New Testament:
1. John said the Word was with God in the Beginning and the Word Was God, and that the Word Became Flesh.

2. the angel in a dream told Joseph what shall be the name of the child will be called obviously the name comes from God. and that child was called. (xyxyxyx) pronouncing it "Yeshua"
3. When God brought the Son into the world, He let all the angels worship him, the wise men also worship the child.
4. as per letter of Paul to the Philippians: The man Yeshua...was once in the Form of God..and also equal to God...
But he did not hold on to that, but instead he obey God...BECAME FLESH and die.
5. God made this Yeshua, Christ and Lord, prince and Saviour.
6. from eyes and heart of the man Yeshua:
a. There is one true God the Father
b. that the Father is greater than the Son
c. God is spirit.
7. God anointed Yeshua at his baptism
8. God raised Yeshua from the dead
9. Yeshua now sits at the right hand of God


Hence, through Yeshua, we can see the immortal and invisible God even the Father.

There is no harm to watch the video..it shows more in there.

I would submit when Jesus is God, then there is but one; God. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

...5 (J)Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 (K)who, though he was in (L)the form of God, did not count equality with God (M)a thing to be grasped,[b] 7 but (N)emptied himself, by taking the form of a (O)servant,[c] (P)being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by (Q)becoming obedient to the point of death, (R)even death on a cross. 9 (S)Therefore (T)God has (U)highly exalted him and bestowed on him (V)the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus (W)every knee should bow, (X)in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and (Y)every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is (Z)Lord, to the glory of God the Father. "
The epistle to the Philippians chapter 2

yes, this further proves the Messiah is the LORD Himself:

are you the judge of who are false doctrine and true doctrine.
Who then can say that your doctrine is only the truth?

Read titus 1...you can see who titus cosnider God and who he consider lord,

in those two verses you just ignored with this reply, the LORD clearly says there is only one Savior, no other.
Who do those verses say the only Savior is?

you didn't answer.
Revelation 19:12 says Jesus Christ has a name no one else knows but He Himself.
does the LORD know this or is it hidden from Him?
is this something the Father doesn't know, yes or no?
is this something God is ignorant of, yes or no?

are you able to answer something like this?

except for just about everyone in the OT who met The Angel of the LORD

Who is this, in your opinion, and why do people know they have seen God when they meet Him, and why do they bow down and worship Him, without being rebuked? rebuking someone for worshiping anyone except God is kind of an earmark of an angel of God, so that's weird, right?

which makes "the Holy Thing" ((Luke 1:35)) actually God, because no one else but God alone may be worshipped.

dude you prove that Jesus Christ is God as often as anyone else in this thread, did you realize that?

Act 7:30 KJV And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.

God said thou shall not kill...and in many verses allowed the israelites to kill.
When God said let all the angels worship the Son. Who are we to argue.

I did...no man knows.

as i said read titus 1 and you will see

Hey.. I wrote some stuff but.. form the start and then at the end I read "were talking about a GOD". The only God. And a book (His word) thats JUST enough for what we need here. Yeah.. I'm thinking there is ALLOT that is not being said here.

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.". "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." I like the " which is in heaven".

We really need to get past the fact we do not can not understand this. Not yet. I don't know why we think Christ can not talk as if it is the Father doing all the talking. Wait.. thats exactly what happen. Everything Christ said here was ONLY what the Father said. God is a spirit. This is not "See me and my wife? Were one". No.. Christ and the Father and Holy spirit are one yet 3. God has a throne and Christ has one. The woman that asked for her kids to sit on His right and left. "You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father"

I see Christ.. I see the Father and I .. a .. see? The sweet holy Spirit. I also see everything that is was made by Him.. Christ. I see the word is God. I never try to think I understand this. For me its foolish. I can only see through flesh. I can't wait to be home and then I will see and understand.