Is it a sin to drink alcohol

thank you for confessing that i was wise to say 'you aren't as smart as you think' and that you were absolutely in error to call it an ignorant statement.

thank you for commending me for sharing excellent knowledge.
i hope that you are not overwhelmed by the shame of your foolishness
as you said, from this your sin, you have the opportunity to gain understanding of righteousness. may you take it!

Still not?
By all means carry through to the end, it is your desire to be and not what He would have.

What's worse is, one thumbs down. As to build up the I that you are have such a hard time letting go...

one day in glory, if He will suffer me to, i will serve you a flagon of the wine He made at Cana, and we will drink it together, and we will know the Truth ♥

how about that? maybe we'll have several flagons; our God is a generous God

Sounds good brother.

I confess.... as you know, I am the one giving you a thumbs down.

You have no justification for implying that Post is not a Christian..... that judgement is WAY above your pay grade, and it cheapens any other possibly relevant comment you might have made.

Numbers 6
6 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When either a man or woman [a]consecrates an offering to take the vow of a Nazirite, to separate himself to the Lord, 3 he shall separate himself from wine and similar drink; he shall drink neither vinegar made from wine nor vinegar made from similar drink; neither shall he drink any grape juice, nor eat fresh grapes or raisins. 4 All the days of his separation he shall eat nothing that is produced by the grapevine, from seed to skin.
(NKJV)

Please don't tell me that you are a KJV onlyist that thinks the KJV is inspired but not the Hebrew it was translated from.

Take a look at Brown Divers Briggs for mishrah

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4952.htm
Brown-Driver-Briggs
[מִשְׁרָה] noun feminine juice; — construct מִשְׁרֵת עֲנָבִים Numbers 6:3 (P) the juice of grapes (+ יַיִן, שֵׁכָר).
III. שׁרה (√ of following; compare Arabic , , short dart).

Does it even make sense that they couldn't eat grapes, grape wine vinegar, or even raisons, but not fresh grape juice? Why would wine be mentioned with two separate words?

If you are a KJV onlyist, this is a dictionary entry that says what 'liquor' meant in English in 1611.

https://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/liquor.html

"KJV Dictionary Definition: liquor
liquor
LIQ'UOR, n. lik'or L. liquor.

A liquid or fluid substance. See Liquid. Liquor is a word of general signification, extending to water, milk, blood, say, juice, &c.; but its most common application is to spirituous fluids, whether distilled or fermented, to decoctions, solutions, tinctures.

LIQ'UOR, v.t. To moisten; to drench. Little used."

And grape juice would be 'liquor' by that definition. As far as we know, they had not invented distillation of liquor in Biblical times.

I heard a couple of missionaries in Indonesia discuss the topic of using tomato juice, since grapes were rare among poor villagers and tomatoes were common. Using tomato juice would be cheaper and more 'reproducible.'

But the Bali grape would probably have grown on Java. It's just sour.

I know the Romans were cruel, but subjecting victims of crucifixion to cannibalism? I hadn't heard of that? They can get bile from animals, too.

It was the custom to drink wine for the Passover seder. The Corinthians drank something with alcoholic beverages in their meetings, but they erred in overindulgence, depriving some who came, and not tarrying for one another.

Biblically, is there any reason at all to think moderate consumption of alcohol is forbidden, aside from vowing not to do so? Why is excess of wine condemned if excess is not the issues? Why are deacons not to be given to much wine if even a little were forbidden? Why would the Pharisees accuse Jesus of being a grape-juice-bibber instead of a wine bibber? Does that make sense?

I heard a testimony from an Indonesian man from Timor. I am glad I was not called to translate that week because I am not used to that accent and I could only get about 80 or 90% of what he said. He was at the Dulous Bible school on Java when Muslim radicals attached. Dr. Rudi Hutosoit laid hands on him and prayed for him, and he recovered.

The strange thing is what his injury was-- his neck being severed, about 75% of it, not the throat, but the back, where the spine was.

I had heard of Rudi Hutosoit before. He had started Partai Damai Sejahtera, the True Peace Party, an Indonesian Christian political party, probably the first, and ran for president as its head on year. This was in a parliamentary system, so he did not come near to making the second round. He was also well-known for the Dulous center for training missionaries in some Christian circles. And he's Batak, so I was familiar with his name.

Before he was prayed for, he was considered to be a goner. Medically, it did not make sense that he would have recovered. But of course, with God all things are possible.

By the way, if you read other passages, God is also able to raise the dead.

I'd imagine you would have to believe pretty strongly in your church tradition and the idea that your preacher has got it right to hold to either position.

If Jesus said, "Drink ye all of it" and one of the Twelve had abstained, would that have been righteous. Refusing to let him wash their feet was not a good idea.

Alcohol is not a "fruit" of the vine, it is the corruption of the vine.

Modern 'Jews' know nothing of scripture, being mostly Rabbincally led, and Talmudic, even Kabbalistic in their theology. They reject Christ the pure and True Vine. 'Kosher' isn't scriptural, its traditional.

No it’s not. Your phariseeness is showing. Please cover it up.

We have already been over John 2. It says nothing about alcohol. You eisegetically read it into the text.

"Joh 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

"well drunk" doesn't mean "when they were drunk". It means to have had drank all that was available of the "good" (fresh juice of the grape).

It says, plainly, in English even, "when men have well drunk" of the good "wine" (John 2:10, fruit of the vine, grape juice) of a wedding (place of joy not inebriation), then that which is worse (ie, that which is the old stock of grape juice, being stored as syrup and then mixed with water. It wasn't the fresh juice, but the preserved stuff.)

You eisegetically cause the meaning of "good" to mean of stronger alcoholic content. That isn't what "kalos" means. Look it up in Greek.

Yes it is. (I cited texts previously, and you cited 'you')