1 Corinthians 4

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miknik5

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1Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful. 3But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
 

miknik5

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Ok.

What are your thoughts on this?
It means don't judge anything before the time...leave everything to THE LORD, who will judge...

Paul goes on to say, I don't care how men judge me...in fact, I don't even judge myself but this does not make me innocent..it is THE LORD who will judge, who will lay bare all the secrets of what a man has done...whether good or bad...and only then will men receive their praise from the ONE whom they looked to please..
 

hornetguy

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I like the way he puts it. I have a clear conscience, but that doesn't necessarily make me "right"....

I try to not ever "judge" anyone... that is way above my pay grade, thanks be to God....
 

Nehemiah6

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It means don't judge anything before the time...leave everything to THE LORD, who will judge..
Context is critical. The Corinthians had created factions among themselves, and set up conflicts between who was a follower of Paul, who was a follower of Apollos, etc. and created division and strife within the church (see chapter 3). Which meant that some had made judgments that other ministers were either superior or inferior to Paul. They were carnally judging the merits of the servants of the Lord and becoming followers of men, instead of promoting unity and giving all the same honor and respect. Therefore Paul said: Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

It is in this context that Paul tells them to judge nothing before its time. Many Christians were in the habit of underestimating Paul, because he did not have an impressive appearance and his speech was not oratorical. He also had a physical disability (either with his legs or his eyes).

Others were opposing Paul because of his faithful Christian doctrine (as opposed to the Judaizers). And Paul had to constantly assert his apostleship, and his apostolic authority. Today we have some who brazenly claim that Paul was not a true apostle and that his writings should be ignored.

This passage is not telling Christians to stop making moral or spiritual judgments, since Christ already said that we are to make righteous judgments, and Paul said that we are to prove all things, and hold fast to that which is good. The apostle John said that we are to try or test the spirits, and the NT tells Christians to identify the wolves among the sheep. At the same time Christians are not to judge the spiritual standing of others, since only God knows hearts. Some may be saved, and yet be carnal, as were many of the Corinthians. However, "by their fruits ye shall know them" is still applicable.
 

miknik5

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Context is critical. The Corinthians had created factions among themselves, and set up conflicts between who was a follower of Paul, who was a follower of Apollos, etc. and created division and strife within the church (see chapter 3). Which meant that some had made judgments that other ministers were either superior or inferior to Paul. They were carnally judging the merits of the servants of the Lord and becoming followers of men, instead of promoting unity and giving all the same honor and respect. Therefore Paul said: Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

It is in this context that Paul tells them to judge nothing before its time. Many Christians were in the habit of underestimating Paul, because he did not have an impressive appearance and his speech was not oratorical. He also had a physical disability (either with his legs or his eyes).

Others were opposing Paul because of his faithful Christian doctrine (as opposed to the Judaizers). And Paul had to constantly assert his apostleship, and his apostolic authority. Today we have some who brazenly claim that Paul was not a true apostle and that his writings should be ignored.

This passage is not telling Christians to stop making moral or spiritual judgments, since Christ already said that we are to make righteous judgments, and Paul said that we are to prove all things, and hold fast to that which is good. The apostle John said that we are to try or test the spirits, and the NT tells Christians to identify the wolves among the sheep. At the same time Christians are not to judge the spiritual standing of others, since only God knows hearts. Some may be saved, and yet be carnal, as were many of the Corinthians. However, "by their fruits ye shall know them" is still applicable.
I agree with what you are saying up to the last part. The tares are to grow up with the wheat and we have no right to uproot anything...


Thatś HIS WORK to make the final judgement of what is Tares....not us...for in truth, a tare today, with the tilling of the soil around the heart, (which is HIS WORK alone) very well might be a wheat tomorrow...

Everything is left to the LORD to Judge. We are responsible to hold out the WORD of LIFE...to cast the seed and to water, but the work of the LORD, changing the heart and opening the eyes and the ears of THAT HEART...is HIS work alone...
 

miknik5

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I like the way he puts it. I have a clear conscience, but that doesn't necessarily make me "right"....

I try to not ever "judge" anyone... that is way above my pay grade, thanks be to God....
I like that too.
 

miknik5

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This passage is not telling Christians to stop making moral or spiritual judgments, since Christ already said that we are to make righteous judgments, and Paul said that we are to prove all things, and hold fast to that which is good. The apostle John said that we are to try or test the spirits, and the NT tells Christians to identify the wolves among the sheep. At the same time Christians are not to judge the spiritual standing of others, since only God knows hearts. Some may be saved, and yet be carnal, as were many of the Corinthians. .
I agree