Catholicism vs Protestantism
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If they have another god they have another kind of authority.
The first and foremost commandment is . Thou shall have no gods before him . Catholicism has a legion (3500) patron saints rising.
Moslems like Catholics they have another book of the law, Koran, and the Catholic written law of the fathers (oral traditions of men) Both making the word of God without effect.
No man can serve two written teaching masters as laws not subject to change .
The apostle John is the last to write down the revealed will. And warns any future additions or subtractions simply show they are following another gospel, another christ (teaching spirit) as the antichrists ..(plural)
The first and foremost commandment is . Thou shall have no gods before him . Catholicism has a legion (3500) patron saints rising.
Moslems like Catholics they have another book of the law, Koran, and the Catholic written law of the fathers (oral traditions of men) Both making the word of God without effect.
No man can serve two written teaching masters as laws not subject to change .
The apostle John is the last to write down the revealed will. And warns any future additions or subtractions simply show they are following another gospel, another christ (teaching spirit) as the antichrists ..(plural)
You are, of course, welcome to have that opinion.
You can believe that the holy Spirit has given you, personally and directly, the correct interpretation of the scriptures that leads you to that position. and on the basis of that personal revelation, you can decide to exclude certain people (Catholics this time) from being in the same body that you are.
I agree that Jesus is God, and that he died for our sins and rose again.
At the same time, I think that someone who says that they believe that there is only one God who created the heavens and the Earth is believing in the same God that I do. If they then deny who Jesus is and what he did, they are simply wrong about that.
I know that you believe Jesus is God. Do you also believe that the Father is God? Do you believe that the Father and Jesus are separate in some way?
You can believe that the holy Spirit has given you, personally and directly, the correct interpretation of the scriptures that leads you to that position. and on the basis of that personal revelation, you can decide to exclude certain people (Catholics this time) from being in the same body that you are.
I agree that Jesus is God, and that he died for our sins and rose again.
At the same time, I think that someone who says that they believe that there is only one God who created the heavens and the Earth is believing in the same God that I do. If they then deny who Jesus is and what he did, they are simply wrong about that.
I know that you believe Jesus is God. Do you also believe that the Father is God? Do you believe that the Father and Jesus are separate in some way?
If I put the connotation into my own words, it will necessarily change some of the meaning.
But I think one thing they want to say is that Muslims are further along the path towards salvation than pagan groups or atheists.
Another thing is that they don't want to fight wars with them anymore (remember the crusades)!
But I think one thing they want to say is that Muslims are further along the path towards salvation than pagan groups or atheists.
Another thing is that they don't want to fight wars with them anymore (remember the crusades)!
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On the case that Muslim one step more than pagan, I am not agree, Muslim attack Christian doctrine more
than pagan, not that pagan do not attract Christian doctrine, but they not mention that Jesus never die on the cross
On the case, they don't want war against Muslim, I do believe
They want to make one world religion to support one world government, the antichrist government.
First step, lie to them, and say we worship same god
Second step. Find some influence leader, bribe them $ 25 millions each ask them to preach we are one god don't like devisions
than pagan, not that pagan do not attract Christian doctrine, but they not mention that Jesus never die on the cross
On the case, they don't want war against Muslim, I do believe
They want to make one world religion to support one world government, the antichrist government.
First step, lie to them, and say we worship same god
Second step. Find some influence leader, bribe them $ 25 millions each ask them to preach we are one god don't like devisions
That's not how he used their "unknown god", at all. Not to tell them they were on the right track, really? No, he was using their shrine to ignorance to proclaim the true God even within their worldview. He is basically saying, "see here this god you do not know, this void in your knowledge, well it just so happens, I know this God, here let me tell you about Him...."
This was not in any way telling them, to quote you directly, "Paul basically goes on to say that they are on the right track, but they need some corrections here and there." No, he was saying, "Sit down, let me tell you about this God you don't know". I'm not trying to "attack" or "correct" you in any kind of condescending way, it's just when I read that it didn't sound right to me at all. Maybe I'm reading of taking you wrong, if so then I'm interested to hear how.
This was not in any way telling them, to quote you directly, "Paul basically goes on to say that they are on the right track, but they need some corrections here and there." No, he was saying, "Sit down, let me tell you about this God you don't know". I'm not trying to "attack" or "correct" you in any kind of condescending way, it's just when I read that it didn't sound right to me at all. Maybe I'm reading of taking you wrong, if so then I'm interested to hear how.
No, I do not believe that Muslims adore Jesus as a God.
Myself, I'm not really big on trying to figure out if Muslims are worshiping the same God as Christians or not. If I have to give an opinion, then yes, I think they do.
If someone says that since Jesus is God, if Muslims don't worship Jesus, then they don't worship the same God. But I think this brings up the philosophical question of when something can be said to be the same or when it is different. and it's because of that philosophical question that I wouldn't go around saying that Muslims worship the same God or a different god.
At the same time, neither would I say that someone who says that Muslims worship the same God as Christians can't be a Christian. If I remember right, one of the reasons you said that Catholics weren't Christians is because of this issue about Muslims worshiping the same God.
You may be interested in this
"My take is that as long as a person understands the basic metaphysical truth that God is “the one, merciful God,” then errors concerning what God has said, or what he has revealed about his inner life are simply errors about those things, not about God as the one, true God"
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/do-muslims-worship-the-same-god-catholics-do
Myself, I'm not really big on trying to figure out if Muslims are worshiping the same God as Christians or not. If I have to give an opinion, then yes, I think they do.
If someone says that since Jesus is God, if Muslims don't worship Jesus, then they don't worship the same God. But I think this brings up the philosophical question of when something can be said to be the same or when it is different. and it's because of that philosophical question that I wouldn't go around saying that Muslims worship the same God or a different god.
At the same time, neither would I say that someone who says that Muslims worship the same God as Christians can't be a Christian. If I remember right, one of the reasons you said that Catholics weren't Christians is because of this issue about Muslims worshiping the same God.
You may be interested in this
"My take is that as long as a person understands the basic metaphysical truth that God is “the one, merciful God,” then errors concerning what God has said, or what he has revealed about his inner life are simply errors about those things, not about God as the one, true God"
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/do-muslims-worship-the-same-god-catholics-do
I agree that Jesus and the father are one, and thank you for the response. But it doesn't quite answer the question, "Do you believe that the Father and Jesus are separate in some way?"
I'll ask a similar question in case that one isn't clear.
Are Jesus and the Father the same in every respect?
If I have to express an opinion about it, yes.
But more importantly imo, I wouldn't exclude someone from being a Christian who thought differently.
Hindi is a language. Hindus have a wide variety of beliefs. Some of them are probably worshiping the same God, although they will be wrong about many of the details.
True! At the same time, what does a person have to say about God in order for me to say that it is the same God that I worship?
Again, it's a philosophical question. I think Plato might even have a dialogue about it.
I'll ask a similar question in case that one isn't clear.
Are Jesus and the Father the same in every respect?
If I have to express an opinion about it, yes.
But more importantly imo, I wouldn't exclude someone from being a Christian who thought differently.
Hindi is a language. Hindus have a wide variety of beliefs. Some of them are probably worshiping the same God, although they will be wrong about many of the details.
True! At the same time, what does a person have to say about God in order for me to say that it is the same God that I worship?
Again, it's a philosophical question. I think Plato might even have a dialogue about it.
If I have to give an opinion, yes.
No, that part they've got wrong.
No, not really. I am interested in the unity of the body of Christ!
1 Corinthians 1: 10 Now I beg you, brothers, through the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfected together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
This is my feeling, as well.
Divisions is a work of the flesh. If it turns out that you are promoting a division in the body of Christ based on something that is your personal opinion, that might turn out to be bad for you.
I disagree.
No, that part they've got wrong.
No, not really. I am interested in the unity of the body of Christ!
1 Corinthians 1: 10 Now I beg you, brothers, through the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfected together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
This is my feeling, as well.
Divisions is a work of the flesh. If it turns out that you are promoting a division in the body of Christ based on something that is your personal opinion, that might turn out to be bad for you.
I disagree.
From what I've heard from some pagans, they don't think there is such a thing as sin, thus rendering Jesus' death meaningless. To me, that would be just as bad, but it's a matter of opinion.
And of course we disagree there. I think that's a matter of speculation.
If that is their master plan, they certainly aren't very efficient about it. The lumen gentium was written in the early sixties, I believe… well over 50 years ago! It doesn't look to me like the world is any closer to a single government.
Also, divisions between Christians and Muslims are fine, though of course hatred is not.
I'm concerned about divisions in the body of Christ.
And of course we disagree there. I think that's a matter of speculation.
If that is their master plan, they certainly aren't very efficient about it. The lumen gentium was written in the early sixties, I believe… well over 50 years ago! It doesn't look to me like the world is any closer to a single government.
Also, divisions between Christians and Muslims are fine, though of course hatred is not.
I'm concerned about divisions in the body of Christ.