144,000 will be saved; question.

Hi guys,
So in the past few weeks I've struggled to understand what does it mean that 144,000 people will be saved in the coming of christ (revelation). Does it mean that only 144,000 people out of billions of people who lived on earth will be saved? And the rest of the people go to hell? I'm so confused, because if that's true then I was wondering why should I bother having faith if I will be going to hell; since surely I will not be one of those 144,000 people :/
Thanks!

Can you find the Bible verse that references this 144,000?

It's on chapter 7 and chapter 14 of revelation book

Hi Maddie, and Welcome. I'm not sure where you may have found this BIZARRE teaching, but it is definitely false.

1. It is true that in the future, and before the Tribulation period, 144,000 Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel will be redeemed and then raptured to Heaven.

2. It is also true that countless numbers of Gentiles will be saved by then and will also be in Heaven.

Both these facts are found in Revelation 7.

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (v 4)

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands. (v 9)

Thank you so much for clearing it up! Nobody taught me that, I just came up with assumption in my head that way when I didn't really understood it. I knew I was weird and wrong so good thing I asked here! I need to find a suitable bible version that is clearer to understand for a newbie Christian like me

You know I honestly don't know if I have much insight on this. The 144,000 are believed to be chosen jews but something to notice is their mark or seal on their foreheads. I know it might have something to do with being saved but I also think it seems to have a much deeper meaning as well maybe in their role?
Actually it wasn't long ago I was doing a bible study with my mom's boyfriend he is the only one in my circle of people who loves God like I do. We were actually talking about this very subject. But he said something that kind of cunfuses me, See I told him how one of my very first and most intimate interactions with father was when I was laying in bed and he and I were pouring the depth of our love into each others hearts, Honestly that level and depth of such tender love intimacy and adoration was something that I cannot describe in words.
But anyways as I poured my every fiber of love for him I saw in my minds eye his heart and in golden letters I wrote my name and then branded his heart with the word mine. At the same time I saw he branded my forhead with the word mine as well.
I am of Jewish descent and so when I told Tad this he said that very well could have been the mark or seal on the 144,000. Personally I think it was just a very inimate moment with God but even if there was any trurth to his theory I have no idea what this seal or mark is or when or why it is given. So I am interested to learn in this thread

Thank you for sharing! This is interesting. The more people respond to this threat the better I understand. Glad I found this online christian group to share!

Big picture: people try to predict future events using the Bible all the time. Sometimes they do this using numbers that repeat throughout the Bible. This is called numerology. Nobody knows if anything predicted using numerology is correct or not, though it most likely isn't correct, rather people trying to find patterns that aren't there.

I'm glad your here too it is always nice to see new people join the family( of course you realize you can never leave now muahahaha) And yeah it is a subject that is not really my bread and butter even though I love to study and research bible prophecy so ty for bringing a gold nugget

Well first of all, Roman Christians who died in arena for God highly exceed this number.

144 is 12*12. That's not numerology and not an accident. It's how numbers are used in the Bible (Jesus using "7*77" comes to mind), which has nothing to do with gematria but inbuilt design of creation. God uses 12 for His people in the Old testament and then again 12 for disciples in New testament. A 1000 signifies a host/army or an uncountable number or multitude because of sheer magnitude, and also in the Bible armies were counted in thousands. It means the host of God's elect servants, 12 tribes (representing Old Testament saints) and 12 disciples (representing New Testament saints). It's 12*12 because the seed of Abraham multiplies into a large host or multitude (represented by 1000, there are other examples in the Bible where uncountable is represented with countable, book of Numbers is an example, counting representing election of seed of Abraham which is actually said to be "without number"). Similarly in Heaven there are 24 elders (12+12) representing all saints redeemed from the beginning within both covenants (24 is also number of the ribs in the body, aka Eve, representing humanity). This is eternal and all encompassing perspective, because John is commanded to write the neverchanging truth of God (emet) which was is and is to come (past-present-future, see Revelation verse 1:8 and 1:19).

Literalist interpretation of 144.000. would mean that men only will be saved in that imaginary separated instance, and not one chaste married person is to be found within that crowd. They all must be so defiled with women by holy matrimony that God established. But let's really stretch this out to fit their imagination and suppose this is some imaginary situation involving single people only. Still. Men only get saved, not one woman saint in that whole giant crowd of exactly 144.000., men are the only ones who remained virgins and the only ones who know the song of praising God, and satan decided to get only virgin men tempted, imo that's way beyond a stretch, but to each their own it's not a matter of salvation pluralism of opinions in prophecy interpretation is not necessarily a bad thing. Some people believe that every single thing in the Bible has to come to pass literally. To them I say that Jesus was not a literal shepherd of sheep by profession, nor a literal Nazirite with a vow of no alcohol, yet prophecy was not broken. This is very telling about how God handles prophecy, because He never changes. Fulfillment was a mix of literal and symbolic.

First of all, these 144k have absolutely nothing to do with your Salvation and Eternal guarantee. So, if you have accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe in God, you are SAVED and will be in Heaven when it is your time to go! The 144k have to do with the modern day Jews, who for the most part, have denied that Christ is their Messiah. The 144k have nothing to do with You, me, or anyone on this forum. It has nothing to do with every Believer currently no matter what Nation they are from. So do not be concerned over this. Just keep on keeping on in your daily life Believing in God!

There is trurth to this, so many will try to predict the future using the bible and numbers and while I do think it is good to be aware of the times we are in and what may lay ahead for us in the near future there comes a point where it goes to far.
Now as for numerology itself I think there is merit to biblical numerology biblical being the key word here.

There is no merit to any form of numerology, Biblical or otherwise.
Simply adding or multiplying numbers that are repeated produces another number. You then make assumptions about what this new number means, with no evidence whatsoever.
That's numerology for you - it is meaningless.

Why would you say "nobody knows" when God knows and then reveals things to His apostles and prophets? We are to believe the Bible in its plain literal sense, particularly when GREAT DETAIL has been provided. I notice that one poster has disagreed with what I posted, which means disagreement with the Word of God, which means disagreement with God. Not a very wise thing.

But here is what God has revealed (Rev 7:5-8) 12 x 12,000 = 144,000
[Note: In Scripture the number 12 represents divine government]

Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
[Note: the names of the tribes have been transliterated from the Greek. For the correct Hebrew spelling please see the Old Testament]

Furthermore God has told us how these 144,000 REDEEMED JEWS are translated to Heaven and what they are doing before the throne of God (Rev 14:1-5)

THE 144,000 = THE FIRST FRUITS OF REDEEMED AND RESTORED ISRAEL

THEY ARE WITH CHRIST IN HEAVEN AND SEALED BY GOD
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb [Christ] stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

THEY ARE FOUND WITH HARPS
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

THEY SING A UNIQUE SONG BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

THEY ARE FIRST FRUITS UNTO GOD AND TO CHRIST
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

THEY ARE FAULTLESS BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

What is numerology? John used numbers as symbolism. And he borrowed that concept straight from Jesus, such as here: Mark 8:17-21. And Revelation 1:20 explicitly says that there is symbolism. Revelation 5:6 describes Jesus as having 7 eyes and 7 horns. Surely we do not believe Jesus has a literal 7 eyes and 7 horns, or a literal two-edged sword coming out of His mouth (in Revelation 1:16)? Not to dismiss your point about numerology (after all Deuteronomy 18:10 forbids it), but the numbers mean something.

The point about 144,000 being saved is a Jehovah's Witness teaching, and it completely dismisses what Revelation 7:9-17 says--immediately after the Scripture about the 144,000. When you read Revelation 7 verses 1-8 but ignore 9-17, then that, by definition, is called taking it out of context.

If we take the purely symbolic perspective, all Revelation 7 means is that you will see both saved Jews and Gentiles in Heaven.

You seem to be equating yourself with God.
Not very wise.

That is why I said biblical being the key word. The use of numbers is all over the bible and Gof being the first mathematic would not have used numers if there was no meaning or purpose to them. The hebrew language even has a numeric value to each letter and that is not by accident.
The key is to have actual biblical evidence to each number other wise you just have speculation and that is all over youtube. Jesus was in the desert for forty days and forty nights how many years were the jews exiled? There are nine plagues that struck Egypt there are 10 commandments the number seven is all over the place and lets not forget the number 666 which even in revelation we encouraged to have the wisdom to calculate the number for it is the number of a man in particular.
There is nothing in the bible that is meaningless and should not be studied

I agree mostly with you except the part where you said disagreeing with you is like disagreeing with the bible and thus God. I don't think you meant it the way you did but it makes you seem kind of arrogant.
I mean we all have different views and understanding even the most dedicated bible scholars and our truth may not be their truth and sometimes we need a good humbling to learn we may have in fact been wrong in our view so what I think is unwise is the kind of mindset you showed in your post which again I am sure you didn't intend

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

There will be more people saved than the 144,000 people saved, and they will be saved from all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, and will be a great number of people which no person could number.

And when the people stood before Jesus they ministered unto Him, and this happened before the millennial reign of Christ which is the saints having their works judged, and then later on the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of Christ the millennial reign of Christ.

So don't you fret, and worry, for if you confess Christ, and led of the Spirit, you will be with the saints when the saints go marching in.

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Jesus is the firstfruits for the spiritual kingdom of God for He was the first human that has access to heaven.

And the saints that die in the Lord and with Jesus right now for there is no need for them to visit the underworld, for the man Christ Jesus rose to heaven so humans can have access there, although they put off the flesh.

The souls under the altar have not received their glorified body yet, and are waiting for the saints on earth to join them, and then they will all receive their glorified body, and Jesus will avenge them.

Which when the resurrection happens the dead shall rise first, and since their soul is with Jesus, then they will receive their glorified body first, and then the saints that remain on earth shall rise and receive their glorified body.

Then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, and then put down all rule and all authority and power, and Jesus will rule will on earth with the saints over the people that God spared.

Jesus is the firstfruits, and then the saints at His coming, according to the spiritual kingdom of God.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

God is going to restore the kingdom back to Israel, and at that time all Jews will be back on their land by way of a peace treaty between Jews and Palestinians, which the Gentiles nations will cause it to happen.

And then the nations will come together to work for peace on earth, and when they follow the New Age Christ then salvation is no longer available to them, and the fulness of the Gentiles shall be come in.

God will then turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, and Israel as a nation will be in the truth.

God will the end this sin business on earth, and have His people with Him.

The world will attack the Jews, and Jesus will come back with the saints, and defeat the world, and save Israel, for all Israel shall be saved, and Jesus shall rule over the people that He spared, and the kingdom restored to Israel, the Jews.

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

The 144,000 people are 12,000 men from each tribe of Israel except Dan was replaced by Manasseh, which could be because Dan introduced Israel to idolatry, or because Manasseh is both Jew and Gentile making it possible for the Gentiles to be a part of the kingdom of God, for a Gentile when saved is a Jew inward, and part of the commonwealth of Israel, or a combination of both.

Ruth is a Gentile woman that married Boaz of the tribe of Judah, the bloodline of Christ, which it seems like her bloodline was mixed in with the bloodline of Christ so salvation could come to the Gentiles, so it might be the case with Manasseh concerning Gentiles benefiting.

The 144,000 are the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb, which could mean they are the firstfruits for the millennial reign of Christ, which is on earth, and not in heaven, or a firstfruits for all people that are saved, but since the saints already have glorified bodies, and are saved, and Jesus is the firstfruits for the spiritual kingdom of God it would seem like the 144,000 are a firstfruits for the kingdom on earth.

The nation of Israel must come to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior before God can continue on with His plan, and the 144,000 are Jews that are a firstfruit of the kingdom being restored to Israel on earth, and after the millennial reign of Christ heaven and earth shall pass away, and a new heaven and earth, the New Jerusalem where the 12 tribes of Israel, and the 12 apostles of the Lamb are written in the New Jerusalem.

For Israel is the Church, and Jesus said salvation is of the Jews., and a Gentile when saved is part of the commonwealth of Israel.

But Israel lost the kingdom temporarily because of their rejection of Christ, but God will restore Israel as He always does.

So there will be more people saved than the 144,000 saved, which is a lot more saved.