Catholicism vs Protestantism

By the action.
I read an article about what is standard law to determine criminal action.
2 requairement

Actus reus / guilty act and men

A man accidentally droop a glass and broke is actus reus/ guilty act, but not guilty mind, he not intend it

Issuing law that attack Bible teaching are both actus reus because issuing is an action and men's rea
They know what is mean, they are not stupid or accidentally issued that law

Muslim believe there is creator but they don't believe Jesus is the creator

From Quran I learn they believe the creator is the enemy of real god, because the dreator they believe, teach them Jesus not god and not die on the cross. and who is he? Seem to me sound like lucifer

Right, they don't believe Jesus is Creator because they don't know Jesus. They are still blinded by sin.

Allah is not my God...

Muhammed did not write anything because he was illiterate. Now that is a can of worms….

That is pretty obvious Gandalf.( the White).

I need to clarify what you are saying; do you believe that Allah is YHVH? If not I don't understand why you are arguing with Jackson. What am I missing here?

Allah is not the same God as YHVH my friend

It couldn't be the same God.
Islam's god has no Son.
Christian's God has a Son....therefore a different God.

Catholicism vs Protestantism
Whaaa?

You said muslims lies about God. Similarly, these muslims can also claimed that we christians lie about God as well. Get my message?

The issue is how to convince the muslims that they are wrong about who is the true God? Furthermore, you cant convert a muslim (in muslims countries) because it is unlawful. Both you (christian) and the muslim whom you are trying to convert will be fined or even jailed under islam laws, understand?

Good! Then it sounds like we agree.
People who say that Muslims worship the same God as Christians can be Christians.

The CCC isn't the Bible. It's okay to use a dictionary when reading something like the CCC, isn't it? And the dictionary isn't necessarily written by Christians.

Well, it's like this
1 Corinthians 2: 14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So Muslims are not able to understand their spiritual situation. They think that the God who created heaven and earth also wrote the Quran. But they are wrong.

You can ask them about the God that they worship, but they cannot give you a full and complete truthful answer!


Right, but we certainly don't have to use the Muslim definition of God, do we?

I disagree that you have that ability.
1 Corinthians 2: 11 For who has knowledge of the things of a man but the spirit of the man which is in him?

(I agree that in legal situations, a jury may be asked to try to judge the intent. But we are not in a legal situation here.)

Lol, good point!
Maybe better to say, "The things attributed to Muhammad."

Thanks for asking!
No, I wouldn't say that Allah is YHVH.

What Jackson and I are discussing, as I understand it, is this: if a person says that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, does that preclude that person from being a Christian? If I understand Jackson right, he says that it does.

To me the question of same God or different God is kind of a boring philosophical issue. When are two people talking about the same thing, or two different things? I think we talked earlier about Ford trucks. When is a Ford truck no longer a Ford truck?

Suppose two people are talking about the God who created heaven and earth, let's call them Joe and Fred.Are they talking about the same God? Sounds the same so far.
Then one says they believe God is a trinity, and the other says they believe God is a unity.

Now suppose two other people are watching Joe and Fred, let's call them Mike and Sue. Mike says that Joe and Fred are talking about two different gods, Sue says they are talking about the same God, one of them is just wrong about the nature of God.

Mike and then says that Sue cannot be a Christian. Is Mike right to say that?

I say that Mike is not right to say that. Dividing or breaking fellowship over the philosophical issue of same God/different God isn't good. Of course, we can disagree with other Christians about many things, but this is not something to break fellowship over! Or saying someone cannot be a Christian.

If I understand my brother Jackson right, he would say that Mike is right to say what he says about Sue.

No, I am not agree. People that say Muslim worship true god attack jesus

Bible instruct us to test every spirit
1 john 4

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

That mean you not agree we worship the same god as Muslim, it mean you not agree ccc 841