Bill Gates - Coronahoax must go on

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Do you believe the "coronavirus epidemic" was actually a hoax for a wider conspiracy?


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Dude653

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#41
I believe only an idiot believes this is a hoax
 
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Reformyourself

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I know it sounds crazy, but I’ve even wondered if there’s something going on with the sun they’re not telling us about. ‘Stay indoors, only go out for an hour’. It’s certainly warmer than usual in the uk. 🤪
 

Moses_Young

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#44
Did you read the article? I'll give you a quick education. I never found evidence of any of the below in the article, but feel free to point out if I've missed.

Koch's postulates are as follows:
  • The bacteria must be present in every case of the disease. Note that the alleged viral agent is also present in people without symptoms (therefore, it is not the suspected viral agent that is causing the sickness).
  • The bacteria must be isolated from the host with the disease and grown in pure culture. Genetic samples have been taken. The alleged viral agent has not been isolated (this could just as easily be a poison, which I suspect it is - 5G radiation poisoning, if and where it is real, possibly New York).
  • The specific disease must be reproduced when a pure culture of the bacteria is inoculated into a healthy susceptible host. Hasn't been done, as postulate 2 can't be proven. This said, I doubt they could even cause this with the genetic samples they have, further disproving Covid-1984.
  • The bacteria must be recoverable from the experimentally infected host. Certainly hasn't been done, as postulate 3 hasn't been done. However, the fact that they are finding the so-called viral agent in people without the disease also refutes that it is Covid-1984 causing the disease.
 

Moses_Young

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#45
Well they're all ready dying at a huge rate, NYC has run out of morgue room and even, very grimly had to buy a potter's field around easter to throw them into it.
Independent researchers/journalists proved the hospitals overcrowding and morgues were a hoax, did they not? Hospital tents not being used, hospitals empty, despite being shown on the mainstream media news as being overflowing the previous day. I'm gonna call fake news on this, until I see some convincing evidence otherwise, that somehow disproves the multiple independent accounts of this being a blatant lie. And as many of the mainstream media are demonstrably proven liars, I'm not going to accept any evidence from these.

I am aware of the 5G conspiracy theory, but it's not true. I personally co-own a tech company, and aside from that test a lot of technology before it becomes available to the public. I cannot comment too much on these things, but I have dealt with 5G. If this was the real cause then me and my boys would have been dead last year.
So you've heard of Chernobyl, right? Radiation is deadly, but it depends on the dose rate you get, distance, shielding, etc. My understanding of 5G is that it also depends on the frequency, with 60GHz being more dangerous.

Without knowing how much 5G radiation you and your boys were exposed to, it's a little premature to say this proves 5G safe. You realise there have been no safety studies proving this radiation safe? Even if you and your boys were exposed to a reasonable quantity, this doesn't make it safe for everyone. Electromagnetic radiation has been demonstrated to cause cancer and other issues in animals (e.g. the poster below explains how it affects honey bees first).
 

Moses_Young

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#46
One of the few doctor's that volunteered from Colorado to go to N.Y. that was from my town Died last week. I'm sure this thing is real as hell to his family, What do you think....
You know people die from the flu, right? We're not saying the flu isn't real, nor that people don't die. We're saying the deaths due to this Covid-1984 virus are overblown, and the real numbers are comparable to last year's flu season. The deaths will keep going up, of course, because the medical systems - which were keeping alive many who had real life-threatening ailments - have been suspended. Many of those dependent on these health systems will die as the systems aren't functioning, and their deaths will be chalked up to Covid-1984.
 

Moses_Young

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Ok - I was too harsh. I went back through this article, and it does mention Koch's postulates. But note that the article admits they didn't apply these tests for Covid-1984, they were relying on other studies. And if you go to the other studies, even in the statistically insignificant numbers of people studied (e.g. 20 people in the "Pulmonary pathology of severe acute respiratory syndrome in Toronto" study), they admit that not everyone having the symptoms tested positive for the alleged virus. So in other words, the alleged virus is likely not the cause (or at least not the only cause) of the disease even in a group of 20 people. Imagine if I wrote a study proving that 5G caused Covid-1984-like symptoms based on a sample of 20 people, and yet 1 of the people hadn't even been exposed to 5G!

So far as I could see, this study which was supposed to have proven Koch's postulates for a corona-type virus only tested one of the postulates in a statistically insignificant fraction of the population, and didn't even do this successfully. This is not the type of study that honest and competent public servants shut entire countries down for.
 
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The conspiracy theories are all over the map! I am astounded. But this is a fact: IF a vaccine were available tomorrow, how many Americans would get it? From surveys, it seems that about 1/5 of Americans would definitely NOT get it, with another 1/5 who would question getting the vaccine. Would that be enough vaccine takers to reach herd immunity?

Also, is it not reasonable that the government could mandate that certain professions that interact with the public (e.g. teachers. food servers, nurses, doctors, restaurant workers, hospitality workers, police, firemen, grocery workers, etc.) be required to show proof of vaccination in order to keep their jobs? What would the anti-vaxers do then?
 

bojack

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The conspiracy theories are all over the map! I am astounded. But this is a fact: IF a vaccine were available tomorrow, how many Americans would get it? From surveys, it seems that about 1/5 of Americans would definitely NOT get it, with another 1/5 who would question getting the vaccine. Would that be enough vaccine takers to reach herd immunity?

Also, is it not reasonable that the government could mandate that certain professions that interact with the public (e.g. teachers. food servers, nurses, doctors, restaurant workers, hospitality workers, police, firemen, grocery workers, etc.) be required to show proof of vaccination in order to keep their jobs? What would the anti-vaxers do then?
If you have faith in and take the vaccine what does it matter if some one else does or not ?
 

posthuman

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Ok - I was too harsh. I went back through this article, and it does mention Koch's postulates. But note that the article admits they didn't apply these tests for Covid-1984, they were relying on other studies. And if you go to the other studies, even in the statistically insignificant numbers of people studied (e.g. 20 people in the "Pulmonary pathology of severe acute respiratory syndrome in Toronto" study), they admit that not everyone having the symptoms tested positive for the alleged virus. So in other words, the alleged virus is likely not the cause (or at least not the only cause) of the disease even in a group of 20 people. Imagine if I wrote a study proving that 5G caused Covid-1984-like symptoms based on a sample of 20 people, and yet 1 of the people hadn't even been exposed to 5G!

So far as I could see, this study which was supposed to have proven Koch's postulates for a corona-type virus only tested one of the postulates in a statistically insignificant fraction of the population, and didn't even do this successfully. This is not the type of study that honest and competent public servants shut entire countries down for.
no, you're right -- i misread that link; it mentioned Koch's postulates in the context of studies of the 2003 SARS outbreak, which is genetically similar. when i skimmed it at first i thought they were saying this about the "new" SARS. i was wrong :(

but try this one:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa325/5811871

they were able to infect golden hamsters, observe pathology, observe other healthy hamsters in proximity to infected hamsters develop similar tho less severe pathology & identify the virus in them. that's all 4 postulates, right?

not like i'm some kind of epidemiologist of course.
 

GaryA

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#51
The conspiracy theories are all over the map! I am astounded. But this is a fact: IF a vaccine were available tomorrow, how many Americans would get it? From surveys, it seems that about 1/5 of Americans would definitely NOT get it, with another 1/5 who would question getting the vaccine. Would that be enough vaccine takers to reach herd immunity?
Has it ever occurred to you that one or more of those conspiracy 'theories' you are referring to might just possibly be conspiracy 'fact'?

And, speaking of facts - just what exactly are you saying is a fact - the survey data?

You seem to think that the idea of herd immunity comes straight out of a vaccine vial.

Do you not believe in the natural immunity that God put in our bodies?

Also, is it not reasonable that the government could mandate that certain professions that interact with the public (e.g. teachers. food servers, nurses, doctors, restaurant workers, hospitality workers, police, firemen, grocery workers, etc.) be required to show proof of vaccination in order to keep their jobs?
Yes - it is not reasonable for the government to mandate vaccines.

It "would be" closer to the ["legal"] truth to say that the employer should be more likely to have authority to require that their employees be vaccinated - except for one thing...

The law of the land honors the individual over any other kind of entity.

Yes, there are sometimes special cases considered to be "for the greater good of the whole": however, the body is sacred to the individual.

To mandate human vaccination is like adding to and taking away from the book of Revelation.

The Almighty Creator has already given us an immune system that is far superior and better than any man-made concoction of toxic substances could ever hope to be.

What would the anti-vaxers do then?
Find another job?

Sue their employer?

I'm pretty sure there are some other options besides these...
 

posthuman

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#52
Ok - I was too harsh. I went back through this article, and it does mention Koch's postulates. But note that the article admits they didn't apply these tests for Covid-1984, they were relying on other studies. And if you go to the other studies, even in the statistically insignificant numbers of people studied (e.g. 20 people in the "Pulmonary pathology of severe acute respiratory syndrome in Toronto" study), they admit that not everyone having the symptoms tested positive for the alleged virus. So in other words, the alleged virus is likely not the cause (or at least not the only cause) of the disease even in a group of 20 people. Imagine if I wrote a study proving that 5G caused Covid-1984-like symptoms based on a sample of 20 people, and yet 1 of the people hadn't even been exposed to 5G!

So far as I could see, this study which was supposed to have proven Koch's postulates for a corona-type virus only tested one of the postulates in a statistically insignificant fraction of the population, and didn't even do this successfully. This is not the type of study that honest and competent public servants shut entire countries down for.
per WebMD --

"In the case of SARS, we know that the coronavirus had been found and grown from several individuals who have been sick with the symptoms of SARS -- thus fulfilling the first two of Koch's postulates. Because it would be unethical to expose people with the virus, public health scientists use a science called epidemiology to prove that only people exposed to the virus have gotten the infection. This technique relies on interviewing and studying groups of people who have gotten ill and comparing them with people who have not come down with the disease. Investigators then assume the disease would occur if a person were exposed to the disease."

((link -- https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/how-scientists-identify-virus ))

postulates #1 & #2 were already shown. the hamster study i linked in the post i made previous to this one shows the remaining 2, is that correct?
 

posthuman

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postulates #1 & #2 were already shown. the hamster study i linked in the post i made previous to this one shows the remaining 2, is that correct?
note -- in the WebMD article obviously this is stated with reference to an earlier instance of a SARS virus ((the article is dated 2018)), but AFAIK the SARS-COV-2 virus has been found in and cultured from individuals sick with COVID-19 -- that's basically the test for it, right?
 

posthuman

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found this interesting --

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa325/5811871


Woodstock 1969 was planned and held in the middle of a pandemic. a million people died worldwide and 100,000 in the US from H3N2 during 1968/69.

the author of the article has obvious bias, but facts are facts.


this covid thing doesn't have to be a hoax in order for over-reacting / over-reaching to be real.
 
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found this interesting --

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa325/5811871


Woodstock 1969 was planned and held in the middle of a pandemic. a million people died worldwide and 100,000 in the US from H3N2 during 1968/69.

the author of the article has obvious bias, but facts are facts.

this covid thing doesn't have to be a hoax in order for over-reacting / over-reaching to be real.
Never heard of this.That's something. What exactly is H3N2...
 
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Has it ever occurred to you that one or more of those conspiracy 'theories' you are referring to might just possibly be conspiracy 'fact'?

And, speaking of facts - just what exactly are you saying is a fact - the survey data?

You seem to think that the idea of herd immunity comes straight out of a vaccine vial.

Do you not believe in the natural immunity that God put in our bodies?


Yes - it is not reasonable for the government to mandate vaccines.

It "would be" closer to the ["legal"] truth to say that the employer should be more likely to have authority to require that their employees be vaccinated - except for one thing...

The law of the land honors the individual over any other kind of entity.

Yes, there are sometimes special cases considered to be "for the greater good of the whole": however, the body is sacred to the individual.

To mandate human vaccination is like adding to and taking away from the book of Revelation.

The Almighty Creator has already given us an immune system that is far superior and better than any man-made concoction of toxic substances could ever hope to be.


Find another job?

Sue their employer?

I'm pretty sure there are some other options besides these...
Yeah Gary, you are right God created our bodies this way. Then man started to try to keep man alive longer than man were supposed to. So for generations they start injecting us with a Vaccine, 60 years ago. We all got it Gary. Well, I think this is what has broken down our immune system. Maybe God is giving us a wake up call. We were destroying His earth. He ,and only He says what is.. Everyone was taking this for granted and now He has grounded each and every person in the entire world..( And that's a provable fact.) Just for a few weeks to get pollution out for a bit. And look what happened California has'nt experienced this clean of air since Mexico occupied it, Lol...
 

bojack

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note -- in the WebMD article obviously this is stated with reference to an earlier instance of a SARS virus ((the article is dated 2018)), but AFAIK the SARS-COV-2 virus has been found in and cultured from individuals sick with COVID-19 -- that's basically the test for it, right?
You're a smart guy .. Why don't you look at a short video of Dr Buttar and vaccinating babies , or Dr Mikovits who went to jail for not playing the ''game'' .. Then explain why many of their videos get deleted as fast as they come out .. Are you one who agrees with sensorship ? I wouldn't think so ..
 

bojack

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Yeah Gary, you are right God created our bodies this way. Then man started to try to keep man alive longer than man were supposed to. So for generations they start injecting us with a Vaccine, 60 years ago. We all got it Gary. Well, I think this is what has broken down our immune system. Maybe God is giving us a wake up call. We were destroying His earth. He ,and only He says what is.. Everyone was taking this for granted and now He has grounded each and every person in the entire world..( And that's a provable fact.) Just for a few weeks to get pollution out for a bit. And look what happened California has'nt experienced this clean of air since Mexico occupied it, Lol...
No doubt you care .. But destroying Gods earth ? It is Pagans who worship nature above God and man .. I'd bet I'm as good as anyone at keeping earth clean .. Some vaccines are probably good and I took one in a sugar cube 1rst grade by mouth .. It was the Jews cleanliness laws of washing that saved us from the black plague when it was noticed Jewish communities were noticeably much les affected ..
 

bojack

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Now that Adam Schiff has been exposed of his 3 year lying campaign against Trump, why isn't this ''truth'' being shouted from the rooftops ? This shows it is a spiritual lie upheld by demonic lying spirits .. And all the other lies they act like ''it doesn't matter what the truth is'' .. All the ''fake news'' just move on to the next lie and their minions follow blindly .. I haven't seen even one Trump hater say anything bad about this set-up against President Trump .. Bill Gates and his vaccines get the same fake news protection .. What if these are the signs of the times Jesus warned us about ? That men would call evil good and good evil .. How would you even know ?
Why would any Christian want to continue in a one world government where Jesus is forbidden ? I feel like King David and the child that died after a week .. As long as there's hope, I'll fight and hold out but when it's over , it's over and time to move on .. Jesus come
 

Moses_Young

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Also, is it not reasonable that the government could mandate that certain professions that interact with the public (e.g. teachers. food servers, nurses, doctors, restaurant workers, hospitality workers, police, firemen, grocery workers, etc.) be required to show proof of vaccination in order to keep their jobs?
I guess it's a question of ownership and worship. If the government owns the people, and/or the people worship the government, then it might be viewed as reasonable that the government mandates certain professions be required to be vaccinated. Honestly, in such a situation, it might be viewed as reasonable for whatever the government mandates, whether it be vaccines, forced sterilisation, organ transplants or murder (e.g. as in China).

For those who are owned by God, and those who worship Him, I think it is unacceptable for a foreign god to try to impose its jurisdiction.

What would the anti-vaxers do then?
It would really be an act of war, wouldn't it? And aren't all acts justified in war?