Are you a Trinitarian, and if so, can you defend the doctrine?

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Are you a Trinitarian, and can you defend the doctrine?

  • Yes, I am a Trinitarian, and I can defend the doctrine.

    Votes: 37 63.8%

  • Yes, I am a Trinitarian, but I cannot defend the doctrine.

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • No, I deny the doctrine of the Trinity.

    Votes: 16 27.6%

  • I don't know if the Trinity is true or false.

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • Total voters
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Dave-L said:
“Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” John 10:36 (KJV 1900)
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58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
 
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just_truth said:
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
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“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (NET)
 
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Dave-L said:
“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (NET)
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"In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. " - Hebrews 1 1-2
 
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just_truth

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Dave-L said:
God is a Spiritual substance. Just as faith is the substance of things not seen.
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The Father's own substance is fully given to the Son, not the three got their substance from an unidentified deity.
 
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just_truth

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The Father's own substance(Divinity) is fully given to the Son, not the three got their substance from an unidentified deity.
 
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Angela53510 said:
No I do not agree! I unchecked it. No clue why I checked it. I had a bad fall this week and hit my head. I assume my brain is still hurting. I know I posted a few things earlier and they made no sense at all.

Thanks for that catch, P4T!
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You’re welcome, I knew that was a faux pas and not your beliefs. Will be praying for you in your many trials!
 
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just_truth said:
The Father's own substance is fully given to the Son, not the three got their substance from an unidentified deity.
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It's hard to disagree with the historic creeds. so we have little to discuss. In fact, nothing to discuss.
 
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Dave-L said:
It's hard to disagree with the historic creeds. so we have little to discuss. In fact, nothing to discuss.
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Contrary to what you say, you have a lot to explain because the original Nicene creed is not Trinitarian. See this video...
 
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25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
 
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Dave-L said:
“Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” John 10:36 (KJV 1900)
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25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
 
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When Trinitarian Theologians and experts clarify that todays trinity idealism is not even remotely the same as trinitarians in the 4th Century, you have something special being revealed. Which leaves us with the question (and we must remember , there was no English KJV Bible in 325 AD that falsely promotes such idealisms), which version of the trinity is false? In that video ^ it's precise and conclusive that Oneness and Trinitarians actually viewed God the same. But it also reveals that somehow that view changed, as we see in this very thread.

So, it leads to a very interesting question: Which trinity is the correct version (the one represented in 325 AD and pre-KJV, or, the one in 2020 post-KJV)?

One might even ask, if the KJV is different from the original view of the trinitarians in 325 AD, why are we following the KJV and not the views of 325 AD?
 
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just_truth said:
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
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Who do you believe? Jesus or the wicked Pharisees?
 
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just_truth said:
Contrary to what you say, you have a lot to explain because the original Nicene creed is not Trinitarian. See this video...
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You need to consider all of them. They determine what the bible says about important issues for the church of all ages.
 
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Dave-L said:
The bible says God is one. = one being with three persons. All occupying the same space at the same time. If you think materialistically you won't be able to understand.

Did you know the Gadarene demoniac had 6,000 persons in the same space at the same time?
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That's three not one.
 
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