Leading a Revelation study

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Rondonmon

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Hi,

8) If I posted some lessons to this board as a first-pass, would that interest you?
Firstly, you yourself have to have a pretty good grasp on the book of Revelation {BoR} if you are going to lead a study, so bone up. Secondly, we should never, ever, ever IMHO, talk about Hinduism, Buddhism etc. etc. all you are doing is opening a doorway to a demonic entity by doing this, its a no, no, but that is just my opinion. The only reason Israel was commanded to kill every woman and child when they conquered the land given to them by God was because those wicked heirs if left alive would bring in their fathers evil practices. And that is indeed what happened.

Present an "OVERVIEW" and go from there, teach, allow discussion, debate, then form a consensus opinion and then move on. Be flexible, God is willing to teach those that have a heart to learn, being entrenched in positions is a hindrance.

The Book of Revelation is a giant codebook, and all the codes are found in the Old Testament.

Something like this is workable.

1.) Rev. 1, is Jesus is revealed in all his Glory ( The things which you have seen )

2.) Rev. 2 & 3 is the Church Age we are in now ( The things which are )

Everything after Rev. 4:1 {Raprure} is the ( HEREAFTER )

3.) Rev. 4 and 5 are the Church in Heaven before the Seals are opened.

4.) Rev. 6 is Jesus opening the Seals, prophesying what the Anti-Christ coming 42-month reign of terror will entail, via the first four horses, and the Martyrs in the 5th Seal. Te 6th Seal is about God's coming Wrath which starts with the 1st Trump {asteroid/DOTL) Event.

7.) Rev. 7 is, IMHO, the Jews Fleeing Judea before the 1260 Event {DOTL and the Jews get Conquered as Daniel 12 says} the 144,000 is a metaphor for ALL Israel, which Paul, quoting Isaiah spoke of. The number 12 represents fullness, thus 12 x 12,000 = All Israel. They need to get to the Petra/Bozrah area before the Trumps hit, the Angel even says this, hold up the Winds from the four corners and hurt not the Earth, Sea & Trees until the 144,000 are sealed in the head {protected}. The Trumpets do what? Hurt the Earth, Sea, and Trees. The Raptured Church is seen one last time in Heaven AFTER the Seals are opened.

8.) Rev. 8, The Trumps bring forth the Day of the Lord {DOTL} and its an incoming asteroid, the fire comes first, Trump one, the Mountain {rock} hits next in Trump two. The STAR {Burning rock} is described, and finally, the sun, moon, and stars go dim because of all the smoke, debris, etc. from the impact. The waters in 1/3 of the world are poisoned etc. The last three Trumps are the THREE WOES.

9. In Rev. 9 Woe 1 and 2 are pretty straight forward. Apollyon and his Demonic hordes are released from the pit and torture mankind for 5 months, then IMHO, the 200 million are an Angelic Army slaying wicked men who have taken the Mark of the Beast. Not human.

HERE........is where it gets interesting if you want to finish off the natural order of the BoR you need to study Rev. 15&16 here like its one chapter that finishes of the Judgments of God. rev. 8, 9, and 15&16 are the Judgment Chapters of God or the coming DOTL chapters.

10.) Rev. 15&16 is the Angels preparing the final Judgments of God, the 7 Vials, which are the Last Woe {3rd Woe}. When this Woe comes to pass, Jesus takes over, IT IS DONE says the Angel. Jesus defeats Babylon {Satan's Dark Kingdom on earth}.

Everything else, besides Rev. 20, 21, and 22 are Parenthetical Chapters that showcase other events that were happening parallel to the Judgment chapters of Rev. 8, 9, and 15&16.

11.) Rev. 10 is a FLASH FORWARD to the very end when the time will be no more after the Seven Thunders Sound.

12.) Rev. 11 is the Two-witnesses Ministry of 1260 days, showcased for all to see. John is even told what their mission is in the first three verses. Measure the Temple and those they pray therein {Jews} but Measure not the Outer court {Gentile Court}. So, the Two-witnesses parameters are to call the Jews only to repentance. They start this before the DOTL{1260}, that is why the Jews know to flee when they see the AoD which happens at the 1290, 30 days before the 1260. The Two-witnesses show up at the 1335, 75 days before the DOTL {1260} event, they are THE BLESSING in Daniel 12. Malachi 4:5 tells us Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord., to turn Israel back unto God. They show up before the Beast {1260} and thus they must die before the Beast, because both have 1260 day "OFFICES" on earth as described by God. They die at the 2nd Woe in Rev. 11, the Beast dies at the 7th Vial.

13.) Rev. 12 is Israel fleeing into the Wilderness, they have to be protected for 1260 days, thus this starts at the same time as Rev. 8:1

14.) Rev. 13 is the 7 Headed Beast arising from the Sea where it has been in hiatus for nigh 2000 years. The Anti-Christ becomes THE BEAST by defeating Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. (Both Rev. 12 and 13 begin at the FIRST TRUMP in Rev. 8)

15.) Rev. 14 is the Harvest Chapter. We see the Three Harvests here. The Wheat {Israel} grows together with the Tares {Wicked World} until the very end. The lord gathers them in verse 11, whilst the Wicked are destroyed/bound up in verses 18-20. Meanwhile, in verse 14 we see a sorta soliloquy, where Jesus SNATCHES his Church up to Heaven, thus this chapter covers 7 full years.

16.) Rev. 17 is the Harlot Chapter, in short, this chapter and Rev. 18 are kinda CO-MINGLED, the Harlot RIDES the Beast. False Religion RIDES the Gov. Beast and down through history they have always been CO-MINGLED. Rome had Jupiter and other false gods, as did Egypt and Greece, but Babylon was noted for her false gods. Thus the hin we are given cites Babylon as one of her three clues. The Headband/tattoo on the Harlot read MYSTERY: 1. Babylon the Great 2. Mother of Harlots 3. Abominations of all the Earth. These three are designating who the Harlot is. They are Descriptors, she is assoc. with Babylon, the Mother of Harlots was Semiramis and of course God sees the worshiping of any god but Him as an Abomination, because He is a jealous God and says so. The difference is in this end-time coalition, Gov. the Harlot gets JUDGED all because her partner {Anti-Christ/Beast} desires to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD, thus he and the 10 Kings kill her off, meaning he will kill off Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Martyr the Christian Remnant and try to kill Jews. So just as Rev. 17:16 says, the Harlot is thus Judged, All False Religion of ALL-TIME = The Harlot. (This chapter starts at the First Trump)

17.) Rev. 18 is the reverse side of the two-sided coin, its the Government Beast side getting judged by God via the DOTL over a coming 42-month period of time. In verse 2, when it says Babylon {the World} has become a habitation of devils, well, of course, it has, Satan and his minions have been cast out of Heaven and Apollyon has been released from the Bottomless Pit. In verse 4 where it says come out of her my people, that is God calling Israel to flee unto Petra before the Plagues start falling on Babylon {World}. The overall crux of this chapter is Metaphorically showing us what will happen to men who TRUSTED is their loving world which gave them their riches, in other words, we are shown how the Merchants cry and wail at the Judgments of God on mankind and the whole world. The word Babylon means the whole wicked world being judged. The Anti-Christ slays a 1/4 of mankind and the 200 Angelic Army slays 1/3 of mankind, so let's say 2.5 to 3 billion combined, deaths are bad for business. Then you have all the grasses bring and a 1/3 of the trees burning and a 1/3 of the sea creatures dying, 1/3 of the seas turning to blood, 1/3 of the fresh waters being poisoned, and that is before the Three Woes even hit, these are BAD fo business. The Merchants CRYING and WAILING are a metaphor for God's Judgments falling on mankind. God says in verse 10 that Judgment comes in ONE DAY, well the Day of the Lord lasts 3.5 years or 42 months. Then in verse 10 the bible says the judgment will come in ONE HOUR, we Rev. 17:12 says the 10 Kings rule ONE HOUR with the Beast who we know rules for 42-months or 3.5 years !! (Thus, this chapter also starts in Rev. 8 with the First Trump, at the 1260 Event).

18.) Rev. 19 is the Church seen in Heaven BEFORE we Marry the Lamb, so we are seen there before Rev. 4 and 5 where we already have White Raiment/Robes on, and then after we Marry the Lamb we return on White Horses with Jesus who defeats the Beast by the Sword of his moth, in other words just like Daniel ch. 2 and ch. 8 says, WITHOUT HAND. Jesus Speaks Victory, just like he created the universe, by speaking it into existence. Amen. (Rev. 19, like Rev. 14 thus covers the full 7 years of the 70th week)

19.) Rev. 20 is the Judgment Seat chapter.

20.) REV. 21 & 22 is the Everafter and the New Jerusalem.
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Now, of course, you can use your own overview, this is just a demonstration, but you need to at least try to figure out the Chronological Order of the Book of Revelation to start with, else its going to be hard not to get off-tracked. Then you can go from there, my overview of teaching the BoR is the above layout pretty much. I get into more detail once the teaching starts of course.
 

acts5_29

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Firstly, you yourself have to have a pretty good grasp on the book of Revelation {Bo
To the three of you who said this, I will just quote what one person in my group said:

If someone tells me they have a pretty good grasp of Revelation, that is a telltale sign that they do NOT have a good grasp of Revelation.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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To the three of you who said this, I will just quote what one person in my group said:

If someone tells me they have a pretty good grasp of Revelation, that is a telltale sign that they do NOT have a good grasp of Revelation.
I'm not sure how that makes a whole lot of sense. lol
 
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To the three of you who said this, I will just quote what one person in my group said:

If someone tells me they have a pretty good grasp of Revelation, that is a telltale sign that they do NOT have a good grasp of Revelation.
Is that one person in your group a scholar? The understanding of Revelation is only as complicated as you make it. What would be the point of giving us information we could never comprehend? The problem with interpreting it, is listening to everyone else interpret it. You just read it, then you read it again, then you read it again. There are other Books in the Bible that correlate. Read them, then read them again. Some things get missed. The smallest details may speak volumes. Always invite the Holy Spirit to study with you. He explains things better than celebrated “experts”. He’s just trying to teach you, not sell books.
 

Rondonmon

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To the three of you who said this, I will just quote what one person in my group said:

If someone tells me they have a pretty good grasp of Revelation, that is a telltale sign that they do NOT have a good grasp of Revelation.
And that's because they think it can't be understood, I get that, because I was called to Prophecy 35 years ago, and didn't start understanding the BoR until 5 or so years ago. As a Preacher, I felt something was wrong, here I was called as a young Christian to Prophecy I felt, because I had a vision where I was running from some evil dudes with two kids, I hide behind a bush, then I hear this booming voice from above say "The Man of Sin is Here" and that's all that was said. Then I was shown Jimmy Swaggart was going to fall, I was in a huge auditorium and he had 10 people there, within a week or 2 he had fallen, that made me say WOO, my other vision must be true also !! So I felt called to Prophecy and studied it endlessly.

Needless to say, about 5 years ago I got frustrated with all the different interpretations of Babylon, The Harlot, The Beast, The Rapture etc. So I asked God why the Church was so divided on issues and why there were so many interpretations on these subjects, when I know down deep there is only ONE TRUTH, and I got this back from the Holy Spirit. "Ron, you guys already know it all" It hit me like a ton of bricks, God couldn't reach us on these End Time Events, Prophetic utterings, the book of Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel etc. because we as young Christians found these things too complicated, so we looked to MEN..........We built up our own Men's Traditions as the Pharisees had via seeing Jesus as the Son of God, and Jesus warned them about their Men's Traditions. So, we all learn from MEN on these things, therefore we all have different ideas !! When we read the Gospels we simply ASKED Jesus to show us, and he did.

So, I rebooted, I read all of these books again and whenever I came upon something that is interpreted in many various ways or something I had doubts about, I simply asked God to show me, and It works. LOL. God is/was just waiting on us to ask Him, instead we took Men's Ideas and therefore placed a BLOCK in God's way.

God did not give us a book to only bemuse us, its the most important book in the bible save the Gospels, because it ties everything together, but only if you understand the Old Testament codes first, and put the Chronological Order of the BoR together.
 

Rondonmon

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I'm not sure how that makes a whole lot of sense. lol
Some see, some don't To me, its pretty clear, the DOTL will be here via Apophis asteroid on April 13, 2029, and since I think the Rapture is Pre-trib {I would say I know, but....} that would mean the Rapture has to take place in the fall of 2025. Jesus stated we can KNOW THE SEASON, but not the day nor hour.

Apophis is supposed to come withing 20 K Milles, 10 times closer than the moon. Trump did not create the Space Force for nothing, they know its coming, its supposedly only a 3 percent chance of hitting. THAT'S HUGE, especially when all the signs point to the time being NOW for the coming of the DOTL. If it hits, it will hit just off the coast of California, see the Rev. 8 TRUMPS which describes just such an asteroid, {MOUNTAIN} being cast into the sea. Thus the 1/3's that are in CHAOS will be the Pacific ocean and the Americas, and that sounds right, since Israel gets Conquered by the Beast, and this great power {America} being devastated could be THE TRIGGER the Anti-Christ is waiting on to Conquer Israel, I had never thought of that until last week. Why does the Anti-Christ wait until day 1260? Maybe that is the day the Asteroid hits and America is in chaos.
 
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Firstly, you yourself have to have a pretty good grasp on the book of Revelation {Bo
Again looking at the signified interpretation the foundation of the doctrines in the book of Revelation .

If it is made to no effect by a oral tradition of men. What could those do who do rightfully divide signified language in parables do ?.

Using the things seen the temporal to give us the unseen spiritual understanding (the hereafter )must be applied or the father of lies can get his foot in the door or opening of any study. . The foundation of the doctrine of interpretation must be looked at as a reminder when rightly dividing the parables.

Psalm 11:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart. If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men
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Why literalize the signified? How would that help anyone understand the the parable given in Revelation 20?

Revelation 1 King James Version 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Like many doctrines that fall like rain . Destroying the foundation of the teaching. . a person destroys the work .

We must look to the temporal things seen (the things that are) to reveal the hereafter. Then we can rightly divide the book of Revaltion.

No sign as a source of faith are given. Signs are for those who seek after wonderments .(No faith) Prophecy for those who do believe.(faith)

Once one does beleive according to the opening instructive statement in the book of Revelation. Then we have the vision to move forward and study to shew ourselves approved unto God.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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Hi,

It looks like I will be leading a Bible study series on Revelation soon at my church. I thought I would try and draw from the collective wisdom of this board, and see what do you think are good ideas for leading a Revelation Bible study series? I figured that is what a Christian chat board is all about. Do you know of good Revelation study resources for leaders? Any thoughts on how to engage the group, or ground rules for social dynamics? This is supposed to be a small group, but with all the renewed interest in Revelation of late with the Covid crisis going on, I'm not so sure how "small" this group will really be.

A few talking points, so I can "seed" your input:

1) One reason we tend not to study Revelation is because we can't do it. It's divisive. We are simply incapable as a group of studying it together as a group. Yet we know this is not good. Revelation is a book in the Bible, and we need to be studying it.

2) People tend to get deeply entrenched in their individual camps. I will say, "Premillennial is *a* viewpoint," and somebody will come back and say, "No, that's the Bible. Revelation 20 says that is what will happen." So I need to get people uprooted from their trenches and study other views. Because that's what this is: a study.

3) Even "wrong" viewpoints are permitted to study. Even as Christians, we are encouraged to study the Koran and cults. We can STUDY anything. It doesn't mean we have to believe it--only understand it. Why can we study Koran, yet turn a blind spot when it comes to amillennialism?

4) I feel like a need a specific bullet item addressing Revelation's relationship with current events. It seems easy for someone to derail the discussion talking about some conspiracy theory, or whatever (this theory about Bill Gates creating the Mark of the Beast seems hot right now...); when my study is about the Bible. Some people don't even think Revelation relates to current events at all. A larger portion, I believe would say that Revelation relates to current events, but no more so than any other book of the New Testament does.

5) I feel like, in the name of keeping the study productive, that I should establish a ground rule which says you are required to allow others to present opposing viewpoints. If someone wants to present their case for postmill, give them the floor and don't argue with them. This is a study.

6) A large segment of Christians just throw up their hands and say they can't understand it. Lots of conflicting information out there--who do you believe? There's probably more of those people than there are argumentative people. What do I do to keep these people hooked, and engaged?

7) There seems to be a broad belief that Revelation contains a lot of non-essential truths (where "essential" would be something like, "Believe in Jesus and you will be saved." "There will be a pre-trib Rapture followed by a 7-year Tribulation" is not essential.). How do I keep THESE people engaged? If Revelation only contains non-essential truths, then why is it part of the Bible?

8) If I posted some lessons to this board as a first-pass, would that interest you?
The fulfillment of much of Revelation, Matthew 24 as well
as Daniel in 70 AD is the most thrilling and faith building pursuit of the subject. But it requires a study of history as well as Jewish writing style (metaphors.) It’s well worth it though. Boosters ones faith.
 
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The fulfillment of much of Revelation, Matthew 24 as well
as Daniel in 70 AD is the most thrilling and faith building pursuit of the subject. But it requires a study of history as well as Jewish writing style (metaphors.) It’s well worth it though. Boosters ones faith.
We use the temporal historical things seen to mix with faith so that we can receive the hidden signified gospel understanding.(called hidden Manna in Revelation 2) to give us the hereafter. (the eternal living abiding word.) .

It requires that the parables using the signified tongue of God is properly used when dividing the parables. The Spirit of Christ's writing style. Jews or Gentiles flesh and blood have no input.

Flesh and blood has no power by which we could understand. If we put our new born again faith and trust it working in us as the things seen the temporal. . . then we repeat the fall .We must seek out the signified understanding that works in us (not of us) .

God is not a creature. A continuous loop looking to the flesh must be avoided. We are sealed from within. . 777

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
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Hi MegMarch and Scribe,

I really like the advice you two gave. MegMarch, I will be sure to check out BSF materials and see if there are good Leader guides.

Scribe, I love your idea about applying rules of hermeneutics. Do you have any good resources on hermeneutics for laymen (namely, which don't use the word "hermeneutics")? This is exactly the direction I want to go with a Revelation study: to provide plenty of FACTS, plus seamlessly integrate laws of hermeneutics into one study--particularly, laws which surely no one would honestly disagree with. However, I am operating under time constraints. These are not seminary students, and I only get so much time allotted. Some people, no doubt, have enough passion for this that they would put in as much time as any seminary student, though. They would just have to take that study offline as homework.

I definitely do want to engage them, and dole out tasks, assignments, leadership, mini-research topics, etc., as you suggested. I'm not so sure I want them to pick a viewpoint and advocate it using hermeneutics, though. I don't doubt the approach; I just want to distance us from debate, and stick with study. Maybe your approach is a good way to get people to study viewpoints that are not their own? Maybe I could find the premill in the room and have him lead a talk on the merits of amill.

Do you think *A* lesson on hermeneutics is doable? Or should it be lessons? I envision embedding this together with Revelation, so it's really a single topic: studying Revelation. As opposed to two divergent topics in one study--i.e. hermeneutics and Revelation. I have never seen a Revelation study before that does that. I feel like it's my 'secret sauce". I also want to make people understand that Revelation is not just an End times prophetic book that fortune-tells our future: it spills over into theologies, soteriology, our daily Christian walk, etc.. I want to combine this all into one thing. Or better yet: find someone else who has already combined this all into one thing before.


Everybody: do note that I am really interested in LEADER study resources. Learning hermeneutics is one thing. Learning how to TEACH hermeneutics is another.
"How to Read the Bible For all It's Worth" by Gordon Fee is a classic on learning hermeneutics without using the word hermeneutics. It is often quoted in other books as a suggested guide for those who are new to the subject. He uses 1 Corinthians most often for his examples so it would be a good guide to show how the same things can be done for Revelation (teach hermeneutics while at the same time explaining difficult passages in Revelation.)

Another one a little more technical but still a fairly easy read is "Hermeneutics: Principles and Processes of Biblical Interpretation" by Henry A. Vikler and Karelynne Gerber Ayayo (sorry, it is hard to get around the word hermeneutics since it is a word used as a short method of mentioning all the rules listed below)
So we could call it "The commonly agreed upon rules of how to interpret scriptures." This list came from the above book by Vikler and is currently used as a Bible College Text book for first year students. You could use something like this as a printed guide to hand out. If the students used a guide like this through out the series of bible studies they would be able to identify where an interpretation is strong or weak.
The explanations for each step are covered in the book. So the summary below has limited value without the explanations and examples. At the very least you might make a shorter guide using the 6 main headings with short examples under each.

THE PROCESS INVOLVED IN INTERPRETATION AND APPLICATION OF A SCRIPTURAL TEXT
From the book “Hermeneutics; Principles and Processes of Biblical Interpretation” by Henry A. Virkler

I. Historical-Cultural and Contextual Analysis
a. Determine the general historical and cultural milieu of the writer and his audience.
i. Determine the general historical circumstances.
ii. Be aware of cultural circumstances and norms that add meaning to given actions.
iii. Discern the spiritual condition of the audience.
b. Determine the purpose(s) the author had in writing a book.
i. Note explicit statements or repeated phrases.
ii. Observe paraenetic or hortatory sections.
iii. Observe issues that are omitted or emphasized.
c. Understand how the passage fits into its immediate context.
i. Identify the major blocks of material in the book and show how the fit into the coherent whole.
ii. Show how the passage under consideration fits into the flow of the author’s argument.
iii. Determine the perspective that the author intends to communicate: noumenological (the way things really are) or phenomenological (the way things appear)
iv. Distinguish between descriptive and prescriptive truth.
v. Distinguish between incidental details and the teaching focus of a passage.
vi. Identify the person or category of persons for whom the particular passage is intended.
II. Lexical-Syntactical Analysis
a. Identify the general literary form/
b. Trace the development of the author’s theme and show how the passage under consideration fits into the context.
c. Identify the natural divisions (paragraphs and sentences) of the text.
d. Identify the connecting words within the paragraphs and sentences and how they aid in understanding the author’s progression of thought.
e. Determine what the individual words mean.
i. Identify the multiple meanings a word possessed in its time and culture.
ii. Determine the single meaning intended by the author in given context.
f. Analyze the syntax to show how it contributes to the understanding of a passage.
g. Put the results of your analysis into nontechnical, easily understood words that clearly convey the author’s intended meaning to the English reader.
III. Theological Analysis
a. Determine your own view of the nature of God’s relationship to humankind.
b. Identify the implications of this view for the passage you are studying.
c. Assess the extent of theological knowledge available to the people of that time (the “analogy of Scripture”).
d. Determine the meaning the passage possessed for its original recipients in the light of their knowledge.
e. Identify additional knowledge about this topic that is available to us now because of later revelation (the “analogy of faith”).

Part Two on next post...
 
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"How to Read the Bible For all It's Worth" by Gordon Fee is a classic on learning hermeneutics without using the word hermeneutics. It is often quoted in other books as a suggested guide for those who are new to the subject. He uses 1 Corinthians most often for his examples so it would be a good guide to show how the same things can be done for Revelation (teach hermeneutics while at the same time explaining difficult passages in Revelation.)

Another one a little more technical but still a fairly easy read is "Hermeneutics: Principles and Processes of Biblical Interpretation" by Henry A. Vikler and Karelynne Gerber Ayayo (sorry, it is hard to get around the word hermeneutics since it is a word used as a short method of mentioning all the rules listed below)
So we could call it "The commonly agreed upon rules of how to interpret scriptures." This list came from the above book by Vikler and is currently used as a Bible College Text book for first year students. You could use something like this as a printed guide to hand out. If the students used a guide like this through out the series of bible studies they would be able to identify where an interpretation is strong or weak.
The explanations for each step are covered in the book. So the summary below has limited value without the explanations and examples. At the very least you might make a shorter guide using the 6 main headings with short examples under each.

THE PROCESS INVOLVED IN INTERPRETATION AND APPLICATION OF A SCRIPTURAL TEXT
From the book “Hermeneutics; Principles and Processes of Biblical Interpretation” by Henry A. Virkler

I. Historical-Cultural and Contextual Analysis
a. Determine the general historical and cultural milieu of the writer and his audience.
i. Determine the general historical circumstances.
ii. Be aware of cultural circumstances and norms that add meaning to given actions.
iii. Discern the spiritual condition of the audience.
b. Determine the purpose(s) the author had in writing a book.
i. Note explicit statements or repeated phrases.
ii. Observe paraenetic or hortatory sections.
iii. Observe issues that are omitted or emphasized.
c. Understand how the passage fits into its immediate context.
i. Identify the major blocks of material in the book and show how the fit into the coherent whole.
ii. Show how the passage under consideration fits into the flow of the author’s argument.
iii. Determine the perspective that the author intends to communicate: noumenological (the way things really are) or phenomenological (the way things appear)
iv. Distinguish between descriptive and prescriptive truth.
v. Distinguish between incidental details and the teaching focus of a passage.
vi. Identify the person or category of persons for whom the particular passage is intended.
II. Lexical-Syntactical Analysis
a. Identify the general literary form/
b. Trace the development of the author’s theme and show how the passage under consideration fits into the context.
c. Identify the natural divisions (paragraphs and sentences) of the text.
d. Identify the connecting words within the paragraphs and sentences and how they aid in understanding the author’s progression of thought.
e. Determine what the individual words mean.
i. Identify the multiple meanings a word possessed in its time and culture.
ii. Determine the single meaning intended by the author in given context.
f. Analyze the syntax to show how it contributes to the understanding of a passage.
g. Put the results of your analysis into nontechnical, easily understood words that clearly convey the author’s intended meaning to the English reader.
III. Theological Analysis
a. Determine your own view of the nature of God’s relationship to humankind.
b. Identify the implications of this view for the passage you are studying.
c. Assess the extent of theological knowledge available to the people of that time (the “analogy of Scripture”).
d. Determine the meaning the passage possessed for its original recipients in the light of their knowledge.
e. Identify additional knowledge about this topic that is available to us now because of later revelation (the “analogy of faith”).

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IV. Literary Analysis
a. Look for explicit references that indicate the author’s intent regarding the method he was using.
b. If the text does not explicitly identify the literary form of the passage, study the characteristics of the passage deductively to ascertain its form.
c. Apply the principles of literary devices carefully but not rigidly.
i. Simile
1. Characteristic: an expressed comparison.
2. Interpretation: usually a single point of similarity or contrast.
ii. Metaphor
1. Characteristic: an unexpressed comparison.
2. Interpretation: usually a single point of similarity.
iii. Proverb
1. Characteristic: comparison expressed or unexpressed.
2. Interpretation: usually a single point of similarity of contrast.
iv. Parables
1. Characteristics: an extended simile -- comparisons are expressed and kept separate; the story and it s meaning are consciously separated.
2. Interpretation: determine the focal meaning of the story and show how the details fit naturally into that focal teaching.
v. Allegories
1. Characteristic: an extended metaphor comparison are unexpressed and intermingled; story and tis meaning are carried along together.
2. Interpretation: determine the multiple points of comparison intended by the author.
vi. Types
1. Characteristics
a. There must be notable resemblance or analogy between the type and its antitype.
b. There must be evidence that the type was appointed by God to represent the thing typified.
c. A type must prefigure something in the future.
d. Classes of the type and antitype: persons, events, institutions, offices, and actions.
2. Interpretation
a. Determine the significance within the time and culture of both the type and its antitype.
b. Search the test for the point(s) of correspondence between the type and its antitype as they relate to salvation history.
c. Note the important points of differences between the type and its antitype.
vii. Prophecy
1. Characteristics
a. Be aware that the style is generally figurative and symbolic.
b. Watch for supernatural elements such as information conveyed by the announcement of angels, by visions, or by other supernatural means.
c. Note the emphasis on the unseen world that lies behind the action of the visible world.
d. Follow the action to its usual conclusion by a sovereign intervention of God.
2. Interpretation
a. Determine the specific historical circumstances surrounding the composition of the writing. Study intervening history to see whether the prophecy has been fulfilled.
b. Study parallel passages or other cycles withing the same prophecy for further information.
c. Analyze whether this passage is part of a progressive prediction, is capable of developmental fulfillment or includes prophetic telescoping.
V. Comparison with Others
i. Compare your analysis with that of other interpreters.
ii. Modify, correct, or expand your interpretation as appropriate.
VI. Application
i. Principalizing: Based on a historical-cultural, contextual, lexical-syntactical, and theological analysis of the narrative portion, ascertain by deductive study (1) the principles(s) that passage was intended to teach, or (2) the principles (descriptive truths) illustrated within the passage that remain relevant for the contemporary believer.
ii. Transcultural transmissions of biblical commands.
1. Discern as accurately as possible the principle behind the command.
2. Discern whether the principle is transcultural or culture-bound by examining the reason given for the principle.
3. If a principle is transcultural, determine whether the same behavioral application in our culture will express the principle as adequately and accurately as the biblical one.
4. If the behavioral expression of a principle should be changed. Suggest a cultural equivalent that will express the God-given principle behind the original command.
 

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Dear Scribe,

Amazon will probably become a slightly richer company now because of you.

I'm wondering if I should borrow from Law class, where they teach logical argumentation.
 

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Some see, some don't To me, its pretty clear, the DOTL will be here via Apophis asteroid on April 13, 2029, and since I think the Rapture is Pre-trib {I would say I know, but....} that would mean the Rapture has to take place in the fall of 2025. Jesus stated we can KNOW THE SEASON, but not the day nor hour.

Apophis is supposed to come withing 20 K Milles, 10 times closer than the moon. Trump did not create the Space Force for nothing, they know its coming, its supposedly only a 3 percent chance of hitting. THAT'S HUGE, especially when all the signs point to the time being NOW for the coming of the DOTL. If it hits, it will hit just off the coast of California, see the Rev. 8 TRUMPS which describes just such an asteroid, {MOUNTAIN} being cast into the sea. Thus the 1/3's that are in CHAOS will be the Pacific ocean and the Americas, and that sounds right, since Israel gets Conquered by the Beast, and this great power {America} being devastated could be THE TRIGGER the Anti-Christ is waiting on to Conquer Israel, I had never thought of that until last week. Why does the Anti-Christ wait until day 1260? Maybe that is the day the Asteroid hits and America is in chaos.
You know what... I think I'm going to use the Apophis asteroid.

You just date-set, which is frowned upon, but you're not the first to either date-set or to posit that the Earth will be destroyed by fire by an asteroid.
 

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Is that one person in your group a scholar? .
Everyone and their dog is a self-described scholar. When I go to work every day, everyone in the room is the smartest person in the room.

Dealing with that is part of the job.
 

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You know what... I think I'm going to use the Apophis asteroid.

You just date-set, which is frowned upon, but you're not the first to either date-set or to posit that the Earth will be destroyed by fire by an asteroid.
No, not really because I followed the scriptures, I will never say a date-specific, and never ave even chose a session before this, but Jesus stated we can know the Season, I always just assumed that meant the general time like most people say, you know, the signs are all around us. But the more I thought about it, knowing THE SEASON, was always a proper term for knowing the year via logical deduction. Of course, we can see way ahead of time nowadays when these space objects are going to be coming our way, so if we see one as THE ONE, then we can calculate from that date backward to get the Season {at least for the Pre Trib version, which I am convinced of}. Below Jesus seems to be saying we can know the SEASON {when summer is nigh} but not the day or hour}.

Matt. 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Be well friend............
 

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No, not really because I followed the scriptures, I will never say a date-specific, and never ave even chose a session before this, but Jesus stated we can know the Season, I always just assumed that meant the general time like most people say, you know, the signs are all around us. But the more I thought about it, knowing THE SEASON, was always a proper term for knowing the year via logical deduction. Of course, we can see way ahead of time nowadays when these space objects are going to be coming our way, so if we see one as THE ONE, then we can calculate from that date backward to get the Season {at least for the Pre Trib version, which I am convinced of}. Below Jesus seems to be saying we can know the SEASON {when summer is nigh} but not the day or hour}.

Matt. 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Be well friend............
I will give you this:

If government scientists thought there would be a 50% chance the asteroid would strike the Earth, they would probably be telling us there is a 3% chance.

There is also a hypothetical supernova astronomical event wherein the Earth would be destroyed by fire, and there is absolutely no way anyone would know until the speed of light reaches the Earth. It certainly fits the "preordained" and "only the Father knows" criteria. Basically, if a supernova swallowed the Earth, it would start as a star in thesky which progressively glowed brighter and brighter, to the point that there was no night. You would sunburn after being outside for 5 minutes. Then things start to really burn up. If you add some religiosity to the event, Jesus could hypothetically appear in the middle of the bright star (at least, if I were to write my own Left Behind novel...).
 

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I will give you this:

If government scientists thought there would be a 50% chance the asteroid would strike the Earth, they would probably be telling us there is a 3% chance.

There is also a hypothetical supernova astronomical event wherein the Earth would be destroyed by fire, and there is absolutely no way anyone would know until the speed of light reaches the Earth. It certainly fits the "preordained" and "only the Father knows" criteria. Basically, if a supernova swallowed the Earth, it would start as a star in thesky which progressively glowed brighter and brighter, to the point that there was no night. You would sunburn after being outside for 5 minutes. Then things start to really burn up. If you add some religiosity to the event, Jesus could hypothetically appear in the middle of the bright star (at least, if I were to write my own Left Behind novel...).
I forget this site only allows editing for a wee bit, my spelling has been awful {typing too fast}.

Everything else also adds up, it's not just the asteroid coming in. As per what sets this earth on fire in the end, that will be 1000 years later on after Jesus Christ rules from Jerusalem for 1000 years. So, however that comes about, the Creator is fully capably, lol. I think this earth is or will be HELL. Ever thought about that?

This is kinda off the beaten path so I will keep it short, but it is PROPHECY........We were given all the world's History in Leviticus 23.

Spring Feasts
1. Passover (Jesus fullied this, he is our passover blood)
2. Feast of First-fruits (Jesus was the First-fruits of the grave)
3. Feast of Unleavened Bread (Jesus was WITHOUT SIN)

There was a Spring Harvest and a Summer Harvest, I think the Jews represented the Spring Harvest and the Gentile Church represents the Summer Harvest that we are in now. Its called the Feast of Weeks.

Pentecost
4. Feast of Weeks/Summer Harvest/Pentecost (The Summer Harvest or Church Age is where we are at today, we will remain in this mode until the "LAST TRUMP" ends the Pentecost/Harvest and ANNOUNCES that Atonement and Tabernacles are nigh at hand. The Feast of Trumpets never did much of anything, except make announcements. )

Fall Feasts
5. Feast of Trumpets (What Paul called the Last Trump, this signified that the Harvest was over and that the Feasts of Atonement and Tabernacle were nigh at hand.

6. Feast of Atonement (In the Dan. 9:24-27 prophecy, God via Gabriel states that Israel MMUST ATONE before the 70th week can come to pass. In the last few verses of Matt. 23, Jesus prophesied that when he returned the Jews would be saying Blessing is he that comes in the name of the Lord. So Israel Atones/Repents before Jesus returns, just as Malachi 4:5 and Zechariah 13:8-9 says.

7. Feast of Tabernacle (The Hebrew word Tabernacle means to DWELL WITH God, so Jesus {God} will rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years, I think that qualifies as Dwelling with God, no doubt.)

We get these shadows of things to come, we just have to dig them out.

Most of my Revelation understandings that I give a synopsis on, I have detailed blogs on why they are this, that or such and such. I didn't just say those things like some people do, many of which I have heard believe me. Some are way out there.

Take the 144,000, some say, why do you call them ALL Israel ? Then they say, they are 144,000 virgin preachers !! Then when I tell them, I thought that also, then I looked, there is not one place in the BoR that says they are preaching, it says in Rev. 11 that the Angel preaches the to the world, but nowhere do the 144,000 preach. as a matter of fact they need PROTECTION from the coming Judgments of God, which tells us they are humans, in Rev. 7 the Angel is told to HOLD UP the Winds {Judgments} and to HURT NOT the Earth, Trees and Sea until the 144,000 are protected. That is when it hit me, the Earth, Seas and Trees is what the Trumpet Judgments Hurt. So God is just holding up the Trumps until the 144,000 are SAFE. Well, who flees at this time ? The Jews flee from Judea to Petra. And we know the BoR is chock full of metaphors. So the number 12 = Fullness thus 12 x 12,000 = ALL Israel, the Fleeing Jews who have repented before the Day of the Lord {Trumps} hit. And scriptures backed me up, I do my due dillligence.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful DAY of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So, Israel indeed repents BEFORE the Day of the Lord, this is how they know to Flee when they see the AoD. But, what locked it up was these passages that show this exact timing in Zechariah chapters 13 and 14.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

So 1/3 of the Jews repent {which would be more like 2 Million people at least} and 2/3 refuse and thus perish.

DAY OF THE LORD
Zechariah 14:1
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Second Coming/Jesus' Victory
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

So Israel REPENTS BEFORE the Day of the Lord, just like Malachi 4:5-6 says, we see that they repent in Zechariah 12:10 {we know that one so I didn't post it, Zechariah 13:8-9, and THEN the DOTL Arrives in Zechariah 14:1-2 with the Anti-Christ coming against Jerusalem. Then 3.5 years later, of course, Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives and he will then defeat all evil.

So, I didn't just say without study the 144,000 is a Metaphor and it really means ALL Israel. I know it goes against conventional thinking, but the Pharisees were conventional thinking at the time of Jesus, so its ok with me to go that route at times.
 
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We use the temporal historical things seen to mix with faith so that we can receive the hidden signified gospel understanding.(called hidden Manna in Revelation 2) to give us the hereafter. (the eternal living abiding word.) .
I read this three times and no idea what you are talking about. I’m afraid Revelation is easier to understand than this sentence.
It requires that the parables using the signified tongue of God is properly used when dividing the parables. The Spirit of Christ's writing style. Jews or Gentiles flesh and blood have no input.
Same. I have no idea what you want to say.
Flesh and blood has no power by which we could understand. If we put our new born again faith and trust it working in us as the things seen the temporal. . . then we repeat the fall .We must seek out the signified understanding that works in us (not of us) .
Same... clueless
God is not a creature. A continuous loop looking to the flesh must be avoided. We are sealed from within. . 777
Who says God is a creature?
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
This I completely understand.
 
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Is that one person in your group a scholar? The understanding of Revelation is only as complicated as you make it. What would be the point of giving us information we could never comprehend? The problem with interpreting it, is listening to everyone else interpret it. You just read it, then you read it again, then you read it again. There are other Books in the Bible that correlate. Read them, then read them again. Some things get missed. The smallest details may speak volumes. Always invite the Holy Spirit to study with you. He explains things better than celebrated “experts”. He’s just trying to teach you, not sell books.
Yes which one person in the group is the "alpha dog". The scholarly dog lol

I would agree .What we need to do is learn how to walk or hear God by the unseen
work of His faith working in us.

I am learning the importance that parables carry in teaching us how to "walk by faith" according to the right manner of spirit .

A good lesson in a series of parables Luke 9 and Mark 9..At the end of the discourse because the meaning was hid he rebuked them and declared. They know not what manner of spirt they are of . Makes a great bile study.

God hides the unseen spirutl understanding for the purpose of teaching how to walk by faith.

After the one parable hiding the understanding when fished with the parable the apostles must of thought Jesus was wacked out standing right in front of the group . The first bid as to "who is the greatest" began

Note amazement is not believing but wondering, Hearing the understanding of parables is hearing.Thre time he spoke aparble hiding the unseen again to teach how to walk by faith


And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples, Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.
And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him, And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luke9: 43-55
 
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Forget all the study stuff, most of it is heresy anyways. Just read the book of the Apocalypse out loud. Let the words of the prophecy be spoken as they are. If you do this, with bible study classes lasting usually about an hour, you probably can clear the whole book in about four to five sessions I imagine, give or take depending on the size of the group and speed of reading.