The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

For the most part, they are not speaking in the Holy Spirit.

Yes, if you can remove your thoughts from life in general, you can concentrate on the worship songs and truly begin to edify God, you will be in the Spirit. It is here where the true Gift of Tongues exist. < that position is not some babble yabble of seeka my bow tie and let the rubber band fly baloney.

To worship God is not depend on with speaking in tongues.
It is the matter of your heart weather you worship God with your words, or if it is only a good feeling. And God knows our heart.

By exercising discernment.

If God has given us Christ to dies for our sins that equals "Grace." In return, it does not matter if they are pagan, witches, muslim, atheist, whatever, we are to also extend that Grace to them. When we were sinners and lost, we were in the same position with God as they currently are. So they are no better/worse than us before Christ.

Now, we can refute them, rebuke them, bind them if they try some stupidity upon us.

And if we ever are literally dealing with demonic power or demons, we can cast them out and order them in the Name of Eshu to be gone.

But in no situation are we to ever kill them or their spirit to the point they will be lost for all eternity from God.

John 16:13 Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself but whatever He shall hear that shall He speak.

The more you accuse others of being unlearned the more you demonstrate your lack of sound bible teaching.

Gods word became the bible as the apostles told you. Given for you to be completely furnished unto all good works. The OT prophets gave Gods word which Israel was charged with taking to the heathen nations round about them.

There is so much more than just three chapters in Corinthians. The rest of the bible helps you understand those three chapters and that very much includes Genesis.

May God give you a heart fit for repentance.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Not a component but the perfection. That which God has given as complete that His people can be thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim 3:16

You should ask these things at home.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

thats what i am asking, how do you judge the message to really be from the heavens. when Jesus or Elijah were questioned they could easily perform a miracle. making funny noises is not a miracle, anyone can do it. matter of fact i think the angel/prayer language is the only gift that can be easily faked. tongues also means speaking in a foreign language, however you cant fake speaking in french or russian, and coincidently there are very few of these kind of tongues today, only the ones that can be faked.

its a big problem because anyone can use this to manipulate a large group of people, all they have to do is claim the message comes from the heavens. thee is no way to test it.

another problem is there is no benefit to this gift. its only function is you get to tell people you speak in the angel language.

But that is not what I said.

There is a big difference by worshipping God by the thoughts of your mind versus your own spirit being connected with the Holy Spirit.

When you think and use the words in your mind while you pray, that is praying in the flesh.

When you are lost in God's Spirit, you don't think, you just do.

Until you've done the latter, you won't ever realize there is a difference.

I suppose I cant follow. The Lord knows my heart, so he knows what is real and what not.

If you pray with your own words and with your mind, then you know what you pray.
What is wrong with this? Where it is written that is sinful? I interprete flesh as sin. Maby you mean different?

So if you dont know what you pray, you even dont know which Spirit is behind it.

You then interprete that praying without knowing what is prayed is more valued then praying in words ore mind?

I think it is rather more beneficial for God to know the meaning of what I am praying than for me to know.
What am I able to do with what I know I prayed for?
Nothing!
What is God able to do with me not knowing what I am praying for?
Everything!

It's all within the understanding of what is more important. You to know or God to know.

If it's more important to know what I/you said then I/you am/are merely praying to myself/yourself and not to God.
Last time I checked, I, you, nor any current human being is God.

If we pray from the soul in the Holy Spirit, then we are giving our all to God.
If we pray from the mind, then we are dictating the conversation between us and God.
And that will never benefit us ever.[/QUOTE

Who determines this?
Is the Goal to benefit us self ore to benefit others? Is our Goal to praise God then there is no different how we do it, so long we are honest.

It's no different than a magician doing tricks for 2nd graders. They just believe it is real magic. Some adults are children who never grew up, never knew how to reason, clearly never was given the Gift of Discernment.


As far as benefitting from the Gift of Tongues, like I shown in Jude 1:20, it is a true benefit because it ultimately creates a Most Holy Faith in God. So it is essential to know the difference and follow what will bring us closer to God rather than away from Him.

Let me clarify... What I'd just said is not a lessening of the actual value of the bible. It simply proves that the bible can't be the "that which is perfect" mentioned in 1 Corinthians 13:10. Because, if the last words of Revelation were the last words needed to complete "that which is perfect", then "the bible" was NOT a necessary component of perfection because for 300 YEARS after Revelation was written there were ZERO BIBLES.

I will be praying for you because I know it could be difficult to adjust to that reality and I am for you, not against you.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby