The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues

@Guojing
Do you not understand the danger of wanting something to be true so badly that you are willing to discount the word of God to maintain that other belief?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Its the same with Joel 2, its adressed to Israel, but many claimes it for christianity, special pentecostal believers.

I didn’t say don’t trust it, I am saying it will be misleading to get church doctrine from There.

If you end up taking doctrine meant for Israel, it’s like taking doctrine from the law of Moses in Leviticus

Perhaps you read that original post too quickly? What I stated was https://christianchat.com/threads/the-purpose-of-speaking-in-tongues.192497/post-4275751

God told me to go to the apostle he raised for me, Paul, who taught me to rightly divide the word of truth in 2 timothy 2:15

Because many Churches preach that the body of Christ began at Pentecost

But not realy sucsessful, otherwise I would must not ask again and again.
The most answers I got, met not the question, but something else to avoid answer the question.
But maby I should not expect to get an answer, because you (ore others) cant answer them.

I didn’t say don’t trust it, I am saying it will be misleading to get church doctrine from There.

If you end up taking doctrine meant for Israel, it’s like taking doctrine from the law of Moses in Leviticus

Yes, but the way you wrote it, it seemed a bit spooky. It sounded like you are praying to Paul. I hope not.
So, Peter was sent to the Jews...does this mean that you exclude his ministry and example? You only follow Paul?

1 Cor 1:12
12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

Good night, and God Bless! I hope you resolve everything. GOOD BYE EVERYONE, THIS HAS BEEN, WELL, UM, DIFFERENT AND STRANGE.

Jesus Christ Himself could tell you that Speaking in Tongues is still active and you would think He was off His rocker. You disagree with Tongues, you think they have ceased, and NO ONE can give you anything that you will accept. It is just a fact. There is NOWHERE in the Bible that claims Speaking in Tongues has ended, nor that a MAN would be able to say Tongues has ended. Therefore, Tongues is still active. You disagree and always will disagree but you CANNOT PROVE we are wrong by the Bible. It's just your opinion and because you cannot find in the Bible where it has ended or where man can say it ends at this moment, your opinion is wrong!

I am not adding "saved" I am identifying to what has happened according to the word of God which is revealed in the disciple's confession of Jesus who is before them resurrected.

To be fair, you too are adding something that is not there in your question. The "Sinner Prayer"?

No, I dont Think so. Would you live in germany in the year 1900, then you would find that none in the whole Country teaches, what later was taught through the azusa movement. The same with australia and many other countrys.
You even cant show me in the bible that this teaching was taught to other believers. Why not? Why Paul taught not such an important issue?
Till today no one was able to answer this, instead they made me an Ignorant ore someone who is against the scripture.
What is wrong to have questions? Do you belong to this Kind of people who believe whatever is told them? I guess not.

No, I dont Think so. Would you live in germany in the year 1900, then you would find that none in the whole Country teaches, what later was taught through the azusa movement. The same with australia and many other countrys.
You even cant show me in the bible that this teaching was taught to other believers. Why not? Why Paul taught not such an important issue?
Till today no one was able to answer this, instead they made me an Ignorant ore someone who is against the scripture.
What is wrong to have questions? Do you belong to this Kind of people who believe whatever is told them? I guess not.

OK, I'm ready to start working on this. And for the record, this is not a sideshow act. I don't know the moment that some 'great reveal' will happen. We're just going to start looking deeper into the truth of things until we find something significant. At least that's how I'm describing it. It's kind of like when you pray to actually get an answer...you have to keep at it until God answers. You don't know when or how it will happen, but you're still asking him to do it. And when the answer shows up, it's pretty cool.

One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.

And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.

#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]

Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"

Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

OK, I'm ready to start working on this. And for the record, this is not a sideshow act. I don't know the moment that some 'great reveal' will happen. We're just going to start looking deeper into the truth of things until we find something significant. At least that's how I'm describing it. It's kind of like when you pray to actually get an answer...you have to keep at it until God answers. You don't know when or how it will happen, but you're still asking him to do it. And when the answer shows up, it's pretty cool.

One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.

And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.

#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]

Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"

Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

In my eyes, "Pentecostal" doesn't denote a particular doctrine. It simply means that person has had the same experience given on the day of Pentecost... the spirit came upon them and they began to speak with other tongues as the spirit gave them utterance.

The teachings that follow vary from individual to individual and group to group.

@CS1 believes it available but not necessary. I believe it available and necessary. .. But this particular thread isn't really about whether it is necessary or not. It's about what are the BENEFITS when and if someone receives it.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

OK, I'm ready to start working on this. And for the record, this is not a sideshow act. I don't know the moment that some 'great reveal' will happen. We're just going to start looking deeper into the truth of things until we find something significant. At least that's how I'm describing it. It's kind of like when you pray to actually get an answer...you have to keep at it until God answers. You don't know when or how it will happen, but you're still asking him to do it. And when the answer shows up, it's pretty cool.

One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.

And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.

#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]

Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"

Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Paul spent 8 verses on it. Everyone was doing it so why did he have to teach on it. When they got filled with the Holy Spirit, both Jews and Gentiles Spoke in Tongues. So why would Paul have to teach on it? He wouldn't because they were already doing it. Paul even bragged and said, I SPEAK TONGUES MORE THAN ALL OF YOU DO! For Paul to brag meant everyone was already Speaking in Tongues and no one had to be taught.

You are wrong about Tongues and worst of all, YOU have no BIBLE to prove you are right. You only can use men stopped doing it and in 1900 they weren't doing it. So what, that doesn't mean Speaking in Tongues stopped, it just means STUPID HUMANS stopped doing it!

Hello Wolfwint, this will probably be the last entry I make in this forum, because as I stated before:

"Again, we can go round and round about this...and I'm speaking to every post from everyone on this forum...because I've noticed that everyone seems so quick to challenge each other's beliefs, some even seem aggressive and hostile, but they never seem to question or challenge themselves. Hey, I don't mean to step on toes here, but seriously, as a newcomer, and someone who has been a Christian for over 43 years and has heard all of these tiresome arguments, or rather "discussions that claim righteous authority", it is well, quite futile.
You must decide what is most important to you, in your Christian walk, what do you need? What do you need to build yourself up to then put into the building of the kingdom of God and for the furtherance of his word?"

So, I agree with Biker's reply, you simply will not accept something because I guess you want definitive proof that tongues still exist. It does not matter if Germany or other countries were teaching this or that during the time of Hitler's inauguration, or the upheaval in the Middle East, etc. It is not my job, or anybody else's to prove to you anything.

Likewise, people have asked me to prove that Christ existed, and to prove that he actually is God's only begotten son...People have asked if God really exists, TO PROVE IT TO THEM, or will I finally come to the "logical conclusion" that HE is only a figment of my imagination... and that I must be a weak person who has to believe in someone greater than myself to solve my problems.

I do not blame you for asking questions, but there comes a time when your questions are thinly veiled refutes, and not really information seeking.
So to you I say: YOU NEED TO CHALLENGE YOURSELF AND SEEK GOD.

Good bye, and may God bless you

OK, I'm ready to start working on this. And for the record, this is not a sideshow act. I don't know the moment that some 'great reveal' will happen. We're just going to start looking deeper into the truth of things until we find something significant. At least that's how I'm describing it. It's kind of like when you pray to actually get an answer...you have to keep at it until God answers. You don't know when or how it will happen, but you're still asking him to do it. And when the answer shows up, it's pretty cool.

One thing I know is that people aren't really open to "buying" some new thing (or idea) before they are convinced they might need it. Right now I think you need a few small but important adjustments to your belief system. But I'm guessing you don't see it that way. So my first job is to start exposing a problem in your doctrinal structure.... to show that just MAYBE you've missed something important.

And I'm going to start with your #3 from Post#510.

#3 was: The disciples were either saved in John 20:22 or you are saying they were saved in Acts 2[:4]

Truthfully, I didn't say they were "saved" at either scripture (John 20:22 or Acts 2:4), because I don't see either scripture declaring them so, at either of those verses. My question to you is "Why do you feel obligated to declare them "saved" at one of those verses?"

Secondly, I want to point something out about this quote:
You don't give me enough credit. I didn't just add the suggestion that "You're 'saved' once you say the sinners prayer" as a bogus suggestion. I added EVERY ONE of those as things people have listed as "As soon as you do (or have) this, you're 'saved'!"

Love in Jesus,
Kelby