"Not by works" - false!

But, to the point of my post. I would hope you would use the word FAITH as used in the dictionary so we can understand you clearly.

I am coming over to your opinion to some degree. But, he is very polite, respectful and articulate. My only complaint is his insistence upon giving CRITICAL words like FAITH a meaning no one uses and building doctrine upon it. Otherwise, I find him to be fun to have conversation with.

That’s why I keep saying this person should just be ignored

The most important thing that matters is the gospel

We do not want ignore the gospel just because you get mad people disagree with you

I am coming over to your opinion to some degree. But, he is very polite, respectful and articulate. My only complaint is his insistence upon giving CRITICAL words like FAITH a meaning no one uses and building doctrine upon it. Otherwise, I find him to be fun to have conversation with.

Someone disagreeing with you is not an attack

You put someone on ignore because they disagree with you that’s not right

And when someone does what he did then twists and tries to blame the other person when he is called out. Thatnisntroublesome

I think it’s the way some disagree on here eternally-grateful....I find them more than mad...I’ve been accused of all sorts...there are two on here who are toxic in my opinion...and I mean toxic....that is why I put them on ignore.

Should we give up on someone who believes the way they do.....shouldn’t we just keep going until “God” tells us enough no more.

He has done that to me....it’s like seasons..God places us somewhere for a season...then when he wants us to leave his spirit will let us know....that’s how it’s been for me.

God placed me in a church for 3 yrs....I knew in my Spirit that it was his will that I stay there......but he also removed me from that church ,I knew in my spirit that it was time to leave.

You're welcome to ignore me because of my doctrine. I do that to people when I think it's time to do that. Just don't ignore me because you have shrunk down into personal grudges and the sort. That is what these other people are doing. But they are certainly entitled to ignore me based on my beliefs alone. But they've taken it way past that into a personal grudge, which if you want, I will explain the history of and will help you see how wrong they are to act the way they are. It's an ugly picture, trust me.

You're welcome to ignore me because of my doctrine. I do that to people when I think it's time to do that. Just don't ignore me because you have shrunk down into personal grudges and the sort. That is what these other people are doing. But they are certainly entitled to ignore me based on my beliefs alone. But they've taken it way past that into a personal grudge, which if you want, I will explain the history of and will help you see how wrong they are to act the way they are. It's an ugly picture, trust me.

I do not call it giving up sis. I call it trying to help

When someone constantly does it there is a reason. Some people call it trolling others call it other things. But when you constantly do specific things no
Matter how nice you are. It needs called out

I agree. Some do not know how to react. This place has made Me very angry at times So
Mad I have had To step away for awhile which is sad. I came here to learn and discuss gods word. That seems to be a lost art here which is sad

We ignore you because of what you do to those who do
Not agree with you

I disagree 2 members on here are toxic....nothing to do with disagreeing...they are plain toxic like a darkness in them.

I won’t ignore you...until the Lord decides otherwise.

God also Loves you dearly.....hope you know that in your heart.

There are more than that sis. A lot
More

One is not here now he has been gone for a bit but there are more. You did what was best

Just don't ignore me out of an ungodly, personal grudge.
But you can be assured that I have no problem with you disagreeing with me and choosing not to entertain anything I have to say.
You will notice that courtesy does not get extended to those who oppose the group that has come over here from the NOT BY WORKS thread. They make it very personal and vicious.

Wow! The hypocrisy is astounding. Simply astounding.

I don't know how to respond. I don't know your definitions of FAITH and PREVENIENT GRACE, so I get confused.

I appreciate the argument. It's a good one. (I actually wondered when someone would articulate it as you have.)

I think the confusion comes from Christians not remembering that in the gospel 'believing' implies 'trusting', not just being aware and agreeing that something is true. We are saved, not because we know and agree that something is true, but because we have put our trust in what God has shown us to be true.

That's why I make the distinction between 'faith'--simply knowing that the gospel really is true--and 'believing'--actually putting your trust in what God has shown you to be true.

See, every unbeliever whom God has called knows the gospel really is true, because the Holy Spirit has testified to them that it really is true. But they reject the faith that God is providing them to believe and trust in the gospel and be saved.

"6 ...it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
9 ...God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.
10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son." - 1 John 5:6,9,10

See? The BELIEVER is the one who ACCEPTS the truthful testimony of the Spirit. While the unbeliever rejects it. It's not that the unbeliever does not know the Spirit is speaking the truth and, therefore, can't trust in what is shown him, but rather he has chosen to not believe what the Spirit of truth has shown him to be true.

judges purposely says contradicting things to confuse people about his beliefs , then he takes every criticism and pivots it to push out more of his contradicting theology.

he has been proven wrong and had all the contradictions pointed out dozens of times, but he just keeps on going as if none of it happened...