"Not by works" - false!

Sorry ..I made a mistake it was aimed at Micaiah Imla...on saying that I don’t agree with all of your teaching.

If I may add. Using Paul’s words

A work is something we can boast EPH 2 and romans 4

A work is something we do to earn a wage romans 4

If we are doing something to earn or maintain a wage/reward. We are not receiving grace Gift but trying to earn a wage

1Jon4:10
"This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins"

1John4:14
"And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be savior of the world".

He extended His grace to a sinful world by sending His son as an atoning sacrifice for the sins of the world.

I have...only they are alien to you...because I don’t believe you are born again...if you were you would understand the scripture I posted...I mean no offence just being honest.

I’m not saying you aren’t a believer..you believe in the mind...you just aren’t born again.BIG DIFFERENCE.

You either trust in Christ’s finished work or in your own works

A person who trusts in his work may claim he trusts in Christ also. But I will disagree and claim this is not true

If I say I am going to give you a million dollars because I love you and expect nothing in return. And you keep insisting on doing things to earn if. Number 1 you are offending me. Number 2 you do not trust me when I said you could not earn it it is a gift based on my love only

Hey, I am on your side in this argument but ... I would say the verse addresses our current status and not our future status necessarily.

I like these verses better... there are a lot more
John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me [Christ], is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. [a true believer cannot renounce his faith]
Romans 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? … 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

But not necessary right? verse 11. Merely a friendly recommendation from Peter. Not really convenient to an OSAS gospel.

Hi @jackrosie ...
I think we have to be very careful stating that someone is not saved , I don`t think this is our call...
God knows who are His...
To say to someone they are not born again is kind of putting ourselves above God judgements , but that is my personal view , but I do believe we have to be cautious nevertheless...
...xox...

Are You perfect?
. Have you kept the whole law yet or have you stumbled in at least 1 point?.

Fred...you are well educated...I am thick...LOL

The scripture I posted is very special to my heart....on the evening the Holy Spirit testified to my spirit that I was his child,x

That’s true....and I apologise.....my ego once again....I won’t do it again..thank you for correcting me.xx

John 6v39 - it may be the Lord's will that none of them are lost. It may be the Lord's will too that people believe in Jesus. It doesn't mean that all will be saved. It doesn't mean that all will believe in Jesus. People have free will. This happened in the Garden of Eden...and is still happening today.

John 10v29 - notice the words "them" and "no one". These are not the same. It means that OTHERS are not able to snatch you from the Fathers hand. But YOU are free to walk away by your own will.

Romans 8v31 --- same argument as in John 10v29.

Oh there a personal items she will also invariably mention at some point...but yes that too

Someone calls me a harlot ...hard to forget that style of writing.

You have ignored the scripture. Address this first, and then I will answer your question. Fair?

Micaiah Imla....I apologise for saying you aren’t born again...I had no right to say that....once again my ego got in the way....I am going to take a break....

God Bless You...and hope we can move forward.

If I said it to anyone else..I apologise...I said it to you Chris and I sincerely apologise.

About right in my view. "Free will" needs definition as it differs from that of Arminianism.

"Free will" to the Calvinist is defined as ... "We always desire what we want most at the time" Augustine

So how does "free will' work in the Calvinist's view? With salvation is works like this:

Initially, no one free will desires to believe (depravity of man.. NO ONE SEEKS GOD)
God chooses some for salvation and to do so God changes a person's desire (Calvinist's refer to this as the FIRST CAUSE)
Now that a person's desire has been changed by God ... they, of their 'free will', believe God (Calvinist's refer to this as the SECOND CAUSE)

Calvinist's believe God (first cause) causes everything to happen according to his plan/decree (I don't want to get into theodocies ... this story long enough). Man does things (second cause) as a result of the first cause. Man's desires (second cause) are controlled by God (first cause)

Aside: This is in accord to the Law of Causality .... the law states every effect has a cause which is true by defintion
Aside2: Well, what caused God? Answer: God is eternal and therefore does not require a cause. If God is the only eternal entity, then God causes all things.

Agreed 100% -- When we say someone who disagrees with our doctrine is not a Christian, we are actually saying that Christianity is based upon a correct doctrinal understanding.

Your discussion with a fellow brother is obviously degenerating. Thats a shame. You sound defensive and frustrated. If Jesus’s sacrifice wasn’t enough for our salvation, then no amount of work could possibly be enough. Can a man accept the free offer of Christ’s perfect sacrifice , do nothing righteous afterward, and still be saved? Yes, absolutely ! (The crucified sinner next to Jesus did nothing but hang around for a while, then die.)
Grace + (any thing) is a (well meaning ?) mistake.

You keep judging meShow me if you have Mets gods requirement
Mohave you kept the whole law or have you failed in one or more parts

If you can’t answer then stop judging me

I'm OK with the definition. Not so much the conclusion as it conflicts with the law of causality and Eph. 1:11 and more.
I recognize you could put up a credible argument to support your claim.