The Question of Homosexuality: Sin or Safe Bet?

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Adstar

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so what is the remedy, is God going to kill them all?
Well... Yes if they do not repent and believe jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured on the cross they will face not only physical death but also what is called the second death in the eternal lake of fire..
 
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I think most people take such issue with this sin because it’s not one they commit. Are we professing great opposition to people worshipping idols? That even made the top ten list. I think everyone knows this isn’t our home. There’s a reason for the judgements ahead. Homosexuality is just another symptom of a fallen world. We are called to love everyone. After one has become a Christian, if they still participate in homosexual activity then we have cause to rebuke. I have no moral expectation for those not in Christ. If we went around stoning everyone who breaks the Law, we would have no time for anything else.
 

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I think most people take such issue with this sin because it’s not one they commit. Are we professing great opposition to people worshipping idols? That even made the top ten list. I think everyone knows this isn’t our home. There’s a reason for the judgements ahead. Homosexuality is just another symptom of a fallen world. We are called to love everyone. After one has become a Christian, if they still participate in homosexual activity then we have cause to rebuke. I have no moral expectation for those not in Christ. If we went around stoning everyone who breaks the Law, we would have no time for anything else.
yep
well other peoples sex lives are not normally any of my business personally.
but if I was in a marriage and my spouse wanted to commit a perversion with me or anyone else then yes it would then come my business. The issue would then be I would refuse to engage in those sexual practices with them.

so you do first need to look into your own lives for any sinful thoughts you are having about others or your spouse. As it starts with thoughts then deeds that lead to sin. You dont go treating women as men and men as women...and you dont place body parts where they are NOT meant to go.
 
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yep
well other peoples sex lives are not normally any of my business personally.
but if I was in a marriage and my spouse wanted to commit a perversion with me or anyone else then yes it would then come my business. The issue would then be I would refuse to engage in those sexual practices with them.

so you do first need to look into your own lives for any sinful thoughts you are having about others or your spouse. As it starts with thoughts then deeds that lead to sin. You dont go treating women as men and men as women...and you dont place body parts where they are NOT meant to go.
All people both men and women, straight and gay have strong feelings about moral and immoral sexual activity. If we are basing our acceptable and unacceptable practices on God’s word then let’s do that. First men were allowed many wives and to sleep with slaves (concubines). Females were never prohibited from pleasuring eachother. It wasn’t prohibited for men to sleep with all of his wives at once. I don’t know if they did or didn’t but there’s a law against a man marrying a woman and her mother. Im wondering if that is why, other than being just weird. It doesn’t forbid oral or anal sex but it does eliminate sex with a menstruating woman, so I will say the latter is forbidden for that and other reasons. Even the word that is used for sexual immorality in the NT means adulterer or male prostitute (not female). Even the verse that is thrown at men, “Whoever looks at a woman to lust after her is guilty of adultery” is actually mistranslated. The word woman means wife. Jesus was just reiterating not to covet your neighbor’s wife or that’s adultery. Personally I think that the laws were given to Hebrew men and women. We are a new creation. You can’t put new wine in old wine skins. The child of God cares about the things of God. If we are trying to stay true to what is sinful according to Leviticus then our freedoms are actually quite a bit more liberating then most think they are.
 

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Last time I checked God said it was an abomination in His eyes. Nothing is hidden from God's eyes and God does not change His mind about these things. In your house or not it is not hidden from God who has declared His judgment on those who engage in this activity.

When is the last time we read Romans 1? Sodom and Gomorrah remain as a testimony of Gods righteous wrath poured out on those who conduct themselves in this fashion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Funkus

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the church i go to doesn't advertise this, but it welcomes gay Christians in on the basis that they are adults and if they think God accepts it, then its between them and God. so they don't pronounce it either a sin or not a sin, its individualised. they seem keen to move on to other issues and basically don't talk about it much. if asked you get that its between the individual and God, hence they're neither that for or against it having nothing to do with the wider LGBT movement itself. Seems to work ok the numbers are small.
 

Lanolin

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All people both men and women, straight and gay have strong feelings about moral and immoral sexual activity. If we are basing our acceptable and unacceptable practices on God’s word then let’s do that. First men were allowed many wives and to sleep with slaves (concubines). Females were never prohibited from pleasuring eachother. It wasn’t prohibited for men to sleep with all of his wives at once. I don’t know if they did or didn’t but there’s a law against a man marrying a woman and her mother. Im wondering if that is why, other than being just weird. It doesn’t forbid oral or anal sex but it does eliminate sex with a menstruating woman, so I will say the latter is forbidden for that and other reasons. Even the word that is used for sexual immorality in the NT means adulterer or male prostitute (not female). Even the verse that is thrown at men, “Whoever looks at a woman to lust after her is guilty of adultery” is actually mistranslated. The word woman means wife. Jesus was just reiterating not to covet your neighbor’s wife or that’s adultery. Personally I think that the laws were given to Hebrew men and women. We are a new creation. You can’t put new wine in old wine skins. The child of God cares about the things of God. If we are trying to stay true to what is sinful according to Leviticus then our freedoms are actually quite a bit more liberating then most think they are.
well the one in levitvus about the do not lie with. a man as you lie with a woman kinda forbids anal sex as how would you even lie with a man like you do with a woman as er...men do not have vaginas.

not sure if woman was mistransated as wife but its actually not good to lust after anyone not married either cos she might be your sister.
 

Lanolin

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Not sure how King Solomon handled all his wives. One at a time or all at once?
King xerxes banished Vashti and went with Esther, but he had a kind of competition/beauty pageant at first.
 

Lanolin

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one reason why I think gay marriage has come about is that those who are that way want to make it legit and make honest man (or woman) of their same sex partner. I dont know how but its like it justified if two wrongs make a right.

marriage is for those who cant contain themselves or they will fornicate so could be a reason why marriage for some is. agood thing and shouldnt be forbidden.
 

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the church i go to doesn't advertise this, but it welcomes gay Christians in on the basis that they are adults and if they think God accepts it, then its between them and God. so they don't pronounce it either a sin or not a sin, its individualised. they seem keen to move on to other issues and basically don't talk about it much. if asked you get that its between the individual and God, hence they're neither that for or against it having nothing to do with the wider LGBT movement itself. Seems to work ok the numbers are small.
When you say gay Christians, do you mean people who struggle with the temptation of it or people who are openly gay and have no conviction about it?
 

Magenta

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Females were never prohibited from pleasuring each other.
Sex outside of marriage was prohibited, though, and women were not allowed to marry a woman :unsure:
Women were to remain chaste until marriage.


It wasn’t prohibited for men to sleep with all of his wives at once.
Viewing the nakedness of others is prohibited in a multitude of Scriptures, especially that of those to whom you are related.
 

Funkus

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When you say gay Christians, do you mean people who struggle with the temptation of it or people who are openly gay and have no conviction about it?
Both i think i mean as far as i know, the trouble is this whole gay question has been politicised no end which i personally find more objectionable and yucky is the whole agenda that's around it now i think gay folk are actually being used its pretty crazy.
 
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Sex outside of marriage was prohibited, though, and women were not allowed to marry a woman :unsure:
Women were to remain chaste until marriage.


Viewing the nakedness of others is prohibited in a multitude of Scriptures, especially that of those to whom you are related.
All I can say is that neither of these things were specifically prohibited. I think if sex with animals was mentioned, at least there could have been something stated about women with women...but there wasn’t.
 

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All I can say is that neither of these things were specifically prohibited. I think if sex with animals was mentioned, at least there could have been something stated about women with women...but there wasn’t.
True but, chastity was required, and sex out of wedlock forbidden. 1+1 = 2 after all :)
 
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they wont shut up, Satan started an advertising campaign for them sometime ago, to justify there lifestyle choice, with the help of evil leaders and the mainstream media, he is succeeding . Now its not unusual to see in my city of 100,00 to see men in warm embraces downtown, and one young guy in particular wearing women's clothes and high heel shoes! The deception has worked.
This is happening in your country?
 

Magenta

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Yeah, no LOL. Meaning, yes, I realize Gregory is in Australia, though I am not :D

Homosexuality is everywhere, isn't it? Even though it is a small segment of society.
 
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Yeah, no LOL. Meaning, yes, I realize Gregory is in Australia, though I am not :D

Homosexuality is everywhere, isn't it? Even though it is a small segment of society.
I grew up in an age where this was'nt discussed. I had no idea that this existed until the age of 14.
Don't get me wrong I knew of guy's that said that they were practicing for girl's. lol...
 

Magenta

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I grew up in an age where this was'nt discussed. I had no idea that this existed until the age of 14.
Don't get me wrong I knew of guy's that said that they were practicing for girl's. lol...
Yes, sex was the big secret. It has gone too far in the other direction now :geek: