The truth about tongues: a DIVISIVE force in Christianity today

Yep, John 10 had a clear statement by Jesus there. Even if the Jews could not believe that he is the son of God, by faith, they should at least believe in the signs he did.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

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Some of the manifestations that are claimed to be 'of God' are of the enemy, the book 'strange fire' i think it's called discusses this

The other point about tongues as a sign to unbeliever is that is also meant to be taken in a negative tone.

In 1 Corinthians 14:21, Paul quotes Isaiah 28:11-12. In Isaiah’s context, the Israelites (the northern kingdom) were so hard-hearted and stubborn in breaching their covenant with God that God sent a judgment upon them (the Assyrian nation – who spoke in the Akkadian language – a foreign language that Israel would not have known) by bringing them into Assyrian captivity.

Paul’s application from Isaiah: just as the northern kingdom of Israel heard tongues as a sign of judgment, so it would be also to unbelievers in the first century A.D. that God would render His judgement upon them if they did not obey the gospel of grace.

i would be happy to answer but you gotta tell me what your asking, i asked you to clarify wayyyyyyyyyyyy back on p 141 and many times sense then, i dont get what your deal is.

so now your going to input the angel language into the text every time someone speaks to the Most High? this would mean no one can even pray to the Father unless they have the divine gift of the angel language. there is no way you could be foolish enough to believe such nonsense.

The reference in 1 Corinthians 14:21 is the fulfillment. He is not speaking of one nation beforehand .But all the nations that heard prophecy. The tongue of God. Its the same promise of Joel .The reformation came

Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. All nations hear prophecy . But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

As we can see from this and another thread on tongues, it is indeed a divisive force in Christianity. When Paul mentioned "tongues of angels" it was tongue-in-cheek hyperbole. As we know from the rest of Scripture there is no such thing. The things spoken by angels were always understood by men.

What Paul was really saying is that it does not matter what kind of foreign or unintelligible language you utter. It is all noise when the love of God is absent.

like whose interpretation of tongues" Jim Jones of Jones town?

The Bible lovingly commands us to study in order to seek his approval (walk by faith the unseen) and warns of the antichrists .Those who say we need a corrupted men to teach us .

The Holy Spirt is the interpreter .He informs us a to abide in Him as it is written

.Why would we give the honor of his teaching, guiding, comfort to another if he is the same one who brings to our mind the things he has taught us. ? His name is Jealous for some reason?

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2:26-27

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Three is a crowd Two walking together in agreement.

I would suggest. "tongues of angels". "Prophecy of the messenger". The apostles sent with the word of God. How beautiful are the feet that bring the gospel message

i agree, angel is just another word for beautiful, we still say it today, the baby is a little angel, lady is an angel from heaven, we dont think they are literally angels. im pretty sure the "tongues of angels" is the only place to suggest tongues could be a language not of this world. and then it snowballs from there, alot of the tongue people see the angel language everytime "spirit" is used.
its pretty clear to me Paul is being symbolic with the phrase and when you read further the passage has nothing to do with any spirit language, the passage is talking about the importance of love.

LOL, Angels ? Are you a Roman Catholic ?

What an idiotic statement! Get rid of “unknown” and it is impossible to understand what tongues are.

An unknown tongue has absolutely nothing to do with spoken languages duh, that’s why it’s called an unknown tongue, nobody knows that tongue because it DOES NOT exist as a spoken language.

You should apologize for making this ridiculous thread and admit that you know absolutely nothing about speaking in tongues. If you do that and believe EVERY SINGLE WORD in your bible, God will show you exactly what speaking in tongues is and then you can actually do it yourself.

Don’t encourage people to NOT BELIEVE THEIR BIBLES! If your doctrine requires CHANGING THE BIBLE then your doctrine is WRONG. SMH in disgust!

It seem to me that those that speak this "unknown tongue" in the congregations, they are considered barbarians to Paul.
I Corinthians 14:11

"Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, (If I don't know what someone is saying) I shall be unto him that speaketh (like) a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me."

Clearly this mindless babble is a subtle rebuke to the radical Corinthians as it has no place in the congregation unless it can somehow be interpreted.

This "unknown tongue" is not forbidden
I Corinthians 14:13
"Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret."


I Corinthians 14:3,4


"But he that prophesieth (or speaketh forth the Word as a gifted individual) speaketh unto men to edification, (lift them up) and exhortation, and comfort." Now verse 4,

"He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth (and speaks forth the Word of God) edifieth the church."


When someone claims to have had a tongues experience, according to the Bible, who are they edifying? Themselves. It's an ego trip when practiced inappropriately.

Tongues have nothing to do mindless babble, thats the charismatic/pentecostal perversion of tongues. The Bible is written in the unknown tongue from cover to cover.

Tongues is the language of symbolism. It’s an unknown tongue because it isn’t a spoken language, it’s a communication system where the message is hidden from one group but revealed to another group by concealing the message in symbols.

"Angel" is another word for "messenger" They as apostles (sent ones) bring prophecy "tongues" the messages from God .

No hidden language.

Tongues is simply prophecy the source of Christian faith. Christ working in us. . Prophecy as parables provides a unknown, unseen faith. Concealing the message of the gospel from those who do not rightly divide the parables

The 20/20 prescription must be applied if we desire to walk by faith. Rightly dividing the parables. The tongue of God.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Tongues is the word of God but tongues conceals the word of God so that only his people get the message. That’s why when people hear others speaking in tongues, they think they’re crazy.

The words of the Bible are easily seen by the world but the symbolism hidden in those words is the unseen words. The letter killers, but the spirit give them life.

Your claim is false

1 Corinthians 12:1-10KJV
12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: