WHY DID GOD?

Well good. No obvious in this forum. You would be surprised what some people come up with. I asked because the word allegorical means symbolic and there are preterists here that believe much of the Bible is simply allegorical.

Thanks for answering.

The mark of the beast is an example of allegiance and ownership I believe that the mark is literal a form of a tattoo barcode of sorts.
My friend magenta has a interesting point as to allegory but it seems to me that if you place it on the hand it would be convenient to scan but one could cut off a hand to steal. To place it on the forehead would prevent theft or increase homicide😀😀😀.

The mark is given after the times of the gentiles (us) are fulfilled. If you believe in the rapture as I do take in that testimony as God's final word as to his truth .
What more can God possibly say or do to convince a un believing heart.
Even without the mark those that do repent and believe in the last days are saved only by martyr ism only a few will escape and enter the millennium age where they will be tempted again after the 1000 yr. Reign of the Christ.
My question for all is if you can't live for Christ in the age of grace and mercy what makes you think you can in the age of wrath and evil?
Seek the Lord while he still may be found.

Knowing the beast's agenda, and worship of the beast precedes the mark of the beast, so a Christian would not take the mark of the beast to support themselves, and their family, for then they are denying Christ in which there is no salvation.

And the beast will claim there is no personal God, and he is God by harnessing the power of nature and evolving, so a Christian would not take the mark for they would be denying there is a God, and Jesus is Lord and Savior which there is no salvation.

The Bible says if a person that believed Jesus is the Savior turns from that to believe an alternate reality whether another religion, a false interpretation of the Bible where Jesus is not Lord and Savior, or atheism, then if they change their mind God will not allow them to be saved again.

No Christian would want to take the mark of the beast for then they are denying Christ, and saying the beast is God, and there is no personal God.

The mark of the beast will be a chip just under the skin linked to satellite with all information about the person on the chip including financial records, for it is the one world economic system, and to cut down on crime for if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene, and can locate people like lost people, and things will run smoother and better.

The beast will blaspheme God, and His tabernacle by saying the Christian religion is false, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, and cannot save a person and cause them to be spiritual, and cannot provide peace on earth, although they believe Jesus evolved to be spiritual, and an ascended master.

He will say there is no personal God to help mankind to achieve peace on earth, or to benefit them in any way, but mankind's technology and devices can help to bring peace on earth, and the New Age Christ can benefit them by causing them to evolve to be spiritual.

So when the world takes the mark of the beast they agree with the beast concerning reality, and there is no God, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, and he is their only hope of having peace on earth, and causing them to be spiritual, so when they take the mark of the beast then repentance and salvation is no longer available to them for taking the mark of the beast has no reversal, and they are sealed unto damnation.

A person cannot choose their physical needs over Jesus as Lord and Savior and be saved.

It may be because of the nature of the mark.
A few years ago I made a post in the conspiracy forum about the chip, tbh I didn't know a lot of it myself but somehow knew some of it's functions, I am sure there were plenty of rumors or plenty of people who knew about the dna altering but I never give rumors or anything any attention so I was out of the loop on that side of the fence, but sometimes I say things without even knwoing why or what I am saying and one thing I said was how the chip would be able to alter dna to fix dna abnormalities like say if you were born with a genetic defect the chip could alter your dna in order to fix the defect taking out the defect itself while seen as a huge medical breakthrough

A bit ago I learned they are working on a cure for this virus in the form of the chip and I saw it did exactly that and I weas reminded of that post I made a couple years ago I admit I feared I spoke out of turn not knowing why or what I was saying back then but then saw this and it started to make sense.

If the human dna is altered even by one percent you are then considered not human at least not fully, the devil has long tried to corrupt the human dna and the mark maay very well be the way he does that.

The problem is that it isn't even the dna altering that is the worst part but rather how it can affect the mind, if one alters dna like they and are able to change and control the genetic make up of a person mind control isn't that far from that future because our dna has a lot to do with our train of thoughts how we think how we act and if you alter that you can then sepcify which can be affected in the mind and how it can be affected.

if in fact this is more than just rumors or conspiracy then the mark would in affect probably make it where you cannot be saved because you would not even really be your own, people know how to induce sleeper agents without using such technology if a sleeper agent is awakened then theyu are not concsious of themselves or actions and will do what they were programed to do after which they have no recollection of doing it or the time span in which they were being controlled

We will be raptured prior to this time. Only those who have rejected Jesus will face this decision. It will give them one last opportunity to choose the right path.

There is no coronavirus vaccine. Sounds like conspiracy scaremongering to me.

Uh, not so fast:

1. We are waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 1:7).

2. Christ will not come until that man of sin is revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:3).

3. Christ will destroy that man of sin at his coming (2 Thessalonians 2:8; Matthew 24:29-31).

4. Those elect, beheaded and living, will be raptured at Christ's coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53; 1 John 3:2; Revelation 11:15).

5. The rest of the dead (who died before that man of sin is revealed - saved and lost) will be be raised after Satan is cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:12; Matthew 25:32).

First, imo Christians will be gone bc we would know right away through the Holy Spirit the antiChrist. Ya many unfortunately will be deceived and sucomb to his charisma. But a very interesting theory I heard is that the aC will promote some kind of upgrade throgh an implant of some kind that would change one's DNA to an ungody nature. It may be promoted to give long life or good health, etc.
The Bible says the last days will be like the days of Noah, when almost all flesh was eliminated possibly to ungodly hybrids, bad blood. Just a thought.

It is inline with what Jesus told the Jews to sell all they have and give alms. They are to depend solely on the Lord for provision. The less money you have, the less you will be inclined to trust the market economy to provide for your needs.

That was why James wrote in his letter saying woe to the rich, he was talking about what will happen during the Tribulation in James 5

Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rut of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

That was what the early Jewish believers did in Acts 4:32 as well. The perspective of the Jews was, if God could miraclously feed Elijah by having ravens deliver food to him, he would also do it for them when they flee to the mountains after the Antichrist emerged on the scene.

Most days feel the same, lately... it is all one long day with naps and meals

I am glad I am not the only one that feels this way!!

I wouldn’t read too much into it otherwise.

It is the one thing Christians have been warned about for eons, how can you take it so lightly?

Because those that take the mark KNOW exactly what they are taking the mark. Its NO to the lord and yes to Satan.

See its written the only ones that worship the beast are those whos names are not written in the lambs book.

So the beast tells the world to worship it or die. Only after that does the beast tell the world to take his mark.. the number of his name. So just worshiping the beast you are lost for ever.

Again.. no one of God will ever worship it.. whos names are not written in the lambs book.

The forehead very much represents a person's thinking and beliefs, out of which arise the actions anyone takes and the things we do and what we serve with our hands.

So you feel that the mark is not a mark at all, but represents what one thinks and does?

Again.. no one of God will ever worship it.. whos names are not written in the lambs book.

I think you meant those whos names "are written" ?

not yet but it’s on the way.

Once again there is no rapture in the Bible. 1 Thess 4:17 is not it! We can go over the Greek again, if anyone wants!

I also believe in a literal hell, but I am only worried for my family and friends who are not saved. I do not think Revelation is meant to be taken literally, except chapters 1-3 and 21 and 22. I've just been reading Revelation in Koine Greek. The allegorical aspects really come through better.

I don't believe in the Mark of the beast, 1900 hundred years later. This was written to the churches in Asia in the first century. It was in code, so the Romans would not understand it. But the church did, although we have lost our understanding of it, and utterly been mixed up by gloom and doom preachers since the 18th century!

Jesus will return once. The message is that we will remain on the new earth. Heaven was not made for us, the earth was.

It is so frustrating that people are so brainwashed about this, and scared. And finding imaginary theories to get off the earth before these imaginary ideas come true (or more likely, don't come true)

Please look at the Amillennial view. It is the only end times scenario that makes sense. Look at all 4 end time views. If you choose a viewpoint, realize that eschatology is very difficult. Every scholar I know is Amillennial, except for one professor who was historical premillennialism. No one who has a knowledge of biblical languages and hermeneutics is a Dispie. That is pure folk theology!

Here are my proofs that he is a Gentile and a Roman:

1. Daniel 2 gives the last kingdom as the fourth - Rome
2. Daniel 9:27 gives the future prince as a prince of the people who would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple - Romans
3. Revelation 13:1 gives the Beast rise from the sea. In Parable the sea is the Gentiles (Ezek.26:3-5)
4. Revelation 17 gives the Beast carrying the Woman. The Woman has the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (v.6). Since the gospel spread, Rome has been the main persecutor of Christians throughout the centuries
5. Revelation 17 gives the location of the Beast as a city on seven hills. Of all cities in all world powers, only Rome is on seven hills
6. Revelation 17 gives the Beast as one of seven kings who reigned at John's time - Romans
7. Revelation 17 gives the Beast as already dead by the time John wrote in 95 AD. The Beast RISES (in resurrection) from Hades (the bottomless pit). Verse 17-18 gives the number of his NAME. In Biblical numerics (in both the Hebrew and the Greek) this number fits only ONE NAME in History - Caesar Nero - a Roman king who was the greatest killer of Christians (percentile) in history. He is the EIGHTH king. 8 is the number of resurrection in the Bible
8. At Christ's trial, the Jews demanded and hailed a Caesar as their king
9. The second Beast is a Jew. He rises out of the land. Israel is the sand of the sea shore. It is the second Beast that smooths the way for a Gentile to place himself in a Jewish Temple

I am interested to hear your proofs for the Beast being a Jew.


7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

DANIEL 11: THE GOD OF HIS FATHERS = THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things [נִפְלָא֑וֹת (nip̄-lā-’ō-wṯ = blasphemies] against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Please note carefully: "he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god". This is exactly what Paul tells us about the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, who claims to be God. But there is more.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that Man of Sin be revealed, the Son of Perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2 Thess 2:3,4)

Again, please note carefully: "so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God".
"The temple of God" can be none other than the future Jewish temple at Jerusalem. And only Jews can enter that temple. All Gentiles were forbidden access, therefore ther was an outer court for Gentiles. But this Man of Sin can boldly enter the temple of God and blasphemously claim that he is God. Only a renegade Jew would be able to do that.

Furthermore, all Orthodox Jews are presently waiting for their *true Messiah*. The Antichrist must present himself to them just as Jesus did -- a Hebrew of the Hebrews. "The fathers" always refers to the Hebrew patriarchs -- Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Therefore the man who disregards the God of his fathers is a renegade Jew. Hemay even claim lineage from David, since that is necessary for Messiah. So to claim that the Antichrist is a Roman or a Gentile is completely untenable in the light of the above prophecies.

I used to think this was some crazy theory but after I looked into it and a brother here sent me material on it, I definately can see this being the case.

Their WHOLE CREED and written in their mosque walls is "God has no Son" and that is antichrist to the core! They recite it daily in their prayers, and when you look at the deeds they do, it makes even more sense. And the conquering nature of the 'religion'

No other is like it. You dont see hindus buddhists Christians jews or anyone else act that way in large numbers. Its because its in their 'holy' book, the Quran.

I understand where you get the idea. But "the God of his fathers" does not name His fathers. Much more, "fathers" would indicate his genealogy all the way to Noah. Abraham, when he died, was gathered to his "fathers". If a Hebrew was meant it would read "father" (singular) because he would have stemmed from ONE father of TWELVE. The emphasis is on his claim to be God. That is why he can discard, or have no regard for the God Who gave him life. We see in Christ's genealogy in Luke where Adam is the "son of God". In these verses in Daniel 11 the emphasis is who the Beast sets himself above. He sets himself above God (Elohim) claiming to be Elohim, he sets himself above god's as the heathen are polytheists, and being in resurrection he would not care for women (Matt.22:30; Mk.12:25).

As to his lineage to any Hebrew, including Daniel, this is moot. Israel, when faced with their King, cried "We have no king but Caesar" (Jn.19:15). Choosing a Caesar out of expediency is already an established fact. The Jews wait for their Messiah, but they do not seek one from Bethlehem. Caesar had made a tax-census at the time of Jesus' birth and these records were carefully kept (for they meant money). Any Jew disputing Jesus' claim to be royalty had only to call for the public records. There, in black and white, written by indifferent Gentiles, would have been Jesus' pedigree. Added to this, in the Parable of the Vine in Matthew 21, in verse 38, the Lord indicated that the Pharisees KNEW who Jesus was. They called Him "the HEIR" and that Jesus spoke of them is confirmed in verse 45. The end of the matter is that the Jews have a history of ...

1. worshiping illegal entities
2. breaking God's Law
3. rejecting God's prophets and THE HEIR without cause

It is also noteworthy that when Cyrus freed Judah, only 2.5% of Jews had a heart for God's House and City. The other 97.5% were happy to remain under the king of Persia. It does not seem to strange to me that they will allow the Beast, a Caesar, to do what he wants as long as Israel profits in temporal things?