Alexis de Tocqueville

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Roughsoul1991

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Alexis de Tocqueville was a French aristocrat, diplomat, political scientist, and historian. He is best known for his works Democracy in America (appearing in two volumes, 1835 and 1840) and The Old Regime and the Revolution (1856). In both, he analysed the improved living standards and social conditions of individuals as well as their relationship to the market and state in Western societies. Democracy in America was published after Tocqueville's travels in the United States and is today considered an early work of sociology and political science.

He described America exceptional but by observation it wasn't just anything that made America different, it was Americas focus on God.

Tocqueville wrote:

"Upon my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention;

and the longer I stayed there, the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this new state of things, to which I was unaccustomed.

In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions.

But in America, I found they were intimately united and that they reigned in common over the same country ..."

His views on democracy had first hand saw why America was exceptional as God was in the center and built around was a Constitutional Republic. He also warned his readers of this advice below.

Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

Alexis de Tocqueville

Any measure that establishes legal charity on a permanent basis and gives it an administrative form thereby creates an idle and lazy class, living at the expense of the industrial and working class.

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Lanolin

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interesting. Lets look at another country. Germany had two systems once, remember the Berlin wall.
anyway those on the east had communism, and those on the west had capitalism.
They both called themselves republics, but actually the east said they were a DEMOCRATIC republic and the west were a FEDERAL republic. .

Karl Marx and Frederic Engels were germans. Did their system work. well to an extent, but the ones who adminstered the communist 'regime' actually created a two class system of workers/industry and officials. the officials got all the perks of the job. Techinally EVERYONE was meant to be an official, and belong to the party but it never really turned out that way.

what about the captialist system does that work? well it only really works for those who rig the system as well...for the ones who already have money or capital. in this system, your self-interest is king. woe betide you if you dont make as much money as you are able. who cares if other people are poor and homeless at your expense. its their problem.

Both systems could be godless. But it was decided that Germans should have their right to practise their religion if they want to. remeber this was the country that originally turned fascist with the rise of the Nazi SOCIALIST party. It was also the place where long ago, Luther posted his 99 theses on the wittenburg door.
 
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Some times it takes the outsider to see things best. De Tocqueville intrigues me !
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Roughsoul1991

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Some times it takes the outsider to see things best. De Tocqueville intrigues me !
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Yes he had a lot more that I wanted to post but it may benefit you to read his book. I have only read about him and his thoughts but I have not read his whole book.
 

Nehemiah6

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Yes he had a lot more that I wanted to post but it may benefit you to read his book.
What he said was true for his time. He would not recognize America today.

And if people do not wake up, America will be the next Marxist/Communist state to arise. Biden is now committed to Communism, and his VP will definitely be a Communist woman (an evil, black, Communist woman, possibly a witch), who will quickly remove him from office (with the assistance of the evil Democrats) and take over the White House. The general public has not seen this as yet.

For the past 50 years, Communist indoctrination has been going on in the universities and colleges. Liberalism and Progressivism are simply the initial phases. Full blown Communisim was promoted by Bernie Sanders just recently. Now Biden has adopted his agenda hook, line, and sinker.