By Works

My brother, honestly I myself still not perfect and do sin, but I fell the Holy Spirit warn me not to, every time I do sin. I believe as long as we still have a sorry felling every time we do sin, Holy Spirit still in us, and we save as long as we repent every time we sin.

To be perfect like Jesus is our target, and only happen when we abide in Him, branch can not bear fruit of itself.
Jesus want us to love other like we love ourself and Jesus give example what is biblical definition of love
After I ponder what is that love?
Die on the cross for other. Can we do that kind of love of ourselves? The answer I say no, branch can not bear fruit of itself

Only people like Stephen that willing to die to love other, to preach gospel to other so they save that do biblical definition of love.

Feed the hungry is love, but some Buddhism do feed the hunger.

Jesus sacrifice HImself on the cross, that is the quality of love Jesus talking about, and it is impossible for us to do it of ourselves ( branch can not bear fruit of itself)
It is require to abide in Him, so do salvation.

Salvation by faith, mean entrust or abide in Him.

Why God drive Adam away from the Garden

God say not to eat that fruit, Satan say eat, and he trust or have faith to Satan.

Simple mistake. Not obey

See. To me faith cause obey, if a man say have a faith but not obey, he may lie, he doesn't have a faith

If a man say love God but hate his brother, he is liar

1 John 4:20

“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?”
Seem to me Bible teach that there is correlation between love, faith and good work
Faith without work is dead.
If a man have a Faith he have love, and love mean help the needy or good work
Not mean salvation by good work, but salvation produce good work if that man have time and ability

It may a man accept Jesus and die the next second, he have love because as soon as Jesus in his heart he have love but no time to manifest.

The fruit of Holy Spirit is love.
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How can you keep repenting, either you know it is a sin or not. This religious thinking you have to change your mind about a sin all the time is not from God, you repented when you were saved.

now confession? We should always confess of our sins, but like John said, we always have an advocate, I am not going to judge anyone who is committing any sin, as not being saved, because I have to look inside. And see my own sin (take the plank out of my eye)

we need to come side by side with our brothers and sisters. Not as their judge, that’s Gods job, but as their brother and sister, helping each other in love.
that’s why we all should be in some sort of discipleship relationship with someone in our church,

I believe repentance is part of our sanctification...
Repentance is very important in our walk with our LORD ...It is not the repentance that we had when we were saved , but a repentance of turning away from the sins in our life that we may not realise we have , and this ongoing repentance keeps us to becoming more like Christ...
...xox...

How can you keep repenting, either you know it is a sin or not. This religious thinking you have to change your mind about a sin all the time is not from God, you repented when you were saved.

now confession? We should always confess of our sins, but like John said, we always have an advocate, I am not going to judge anyone who is committing any sin, as not being saved, because I have to look inside. And see my own sin (take the plank out of my eye)

we need to come side by side with our brothers and sisters. Not as their judge, that’s Gods job, but as their brother and sister, helping each other in love.
that’s why we all should be in some sort of discipleship relationship with someone in our church,

I see this yes. The more we mature the more sinful we realize we are as we learn what true sin is and we have to continually change our thinking amen sis

I Was more talking about individual sins that we struggle with but already acknowledge them as sin.

A good example

I admit that coveting is a sin yet for some reason every time a family
Member gets something new I get Helios and cover what they have

How can I repent of that sin again? I already admitted it was a sin and in the past. I did not change my thinking into believing it was ok to do and no longer a sin

So to say I Must repent if that sin again is Nonsensical. Now should I confess it? Yes to God and others so I can be healed. But as a means of securing or maintaining my salvation. That makes
My eternal life based on works not grace

Just want to point out the wavering and instability here in ones teachings which are all over the place.

1) First, the lifestyle of repentance is deemed "not of God."



2) Oh, now it IS of God.



3) And then he takes yet another turn, because now it's a "works" gospel.

Just want to point out the wavering and instability here in ones teachings which are all over the place.

1) First, the lifestyle of repentance is deemed "not of God."



2) Oh, now it IS of God.



3) And then he takes yet another turn, because now it's a "works" gospel.

This is yet another reason I can no longer give this person any of my time

1. he twisted everything I said (I never said anything was of God or not of God yet here in two of his point he claims otherwise.)
2. Then he claimed I keep changing my tune, of which I did no such thing
3. he totally misunderstand what I meant about a works based gospel. If you have to repent of sin or you lose salvation, that is a works based gospel, I am sure even he agrees with this (if he does not it is worse than I thought)

the only reason I responded is I saw he gave me a thumbs down and rose gave me a thumbs up and noticed he responded,

this person is not trustworthy, and his continued taking what people say and trying to make them appear to say things they never said is just plain evil (yes I am calling you out preacher) I am also hoping to show rosemary and another sister why it is a have a problem with this person. And why I have them on ignore and have no respect for him whatsoever,

if he wants to report me, let him, He is called out,,

Repentance is required at our Salvation , but there is a repentance with a small r that is I believe required daily for known sins...
I believe from what I have read that repentance ( small r ) covers the consequences of our sins...

I have to say EG , I do not believe what you say about @preacher4truth , he is my brother in Christ , I do not want to get in the middle of what your problem is between each other , I just pray that you can both reconcile whatever it is between you both...
...xox...

Just want to point out the wavering and instability here in ones teachings which are all over the place.

1) First, the lifestyle of repentance is deemed "not of God."



2) Oh, now it IS of God.



3) And then he takes yet another turn, because now it's a "works" gospel.

People need to stop making this elementary error, as is seen in the postings of @eternally-gratefull and others.

It is the error of conflating justification, the one time declaration of a sinner as righteous and the ongoing sanctification which is a lifestyle of repentance.

That the latter is called "works salvation" shows the conflation, and is the reason for the wavering back and forth ad nauseam and ad infinitum.

Some are so jaded by their antinomianism that when they hear anything like the word "works" or "sanctification" (which they relegate and mitigate to only "positional sanctification" which is heresy, note Hebrews 12:14) or "lifestyle repentance" all they can do in their black and white limited thought is falsely call it "works salvation."

If some would grow past these errors they would begin to truly understand the eternal Gospel. Unfortunately, at least one has proclaimed he's so efficient in theology he no longer need study what he believes. Ahem, I beg to differ for obvious reasons!

What you say here about the "works salvation" accusation (thrown around a lot here on CC) is well articulated above. Much better than I could say it! (With probably some blunter wording than I might use) LOL! And I agree with you. That is a major reason I began this thread: to be able to discuss works and their critical part in being saved from a miserable life of sin and mediocrity.

I have found CC an interesting place of sharing with people from very different viewpoints; some of whom I call "friends" that I was taught growing up were "heretics" going to hell. On the other hand, there are some that seem to use CC as a revolving door to come and try to preach their particular viewpoints (often heresies). Usually, once they find people will not stand for their doctrines, they leave and stir up the dust after them! LOL!

The only people I have ever had to put on ignore were a few that sent me unsolicited personal messages that I was not interested in engaging with. That is not condemning those that use the ignore feature; I am just wondering, though, if we sometimes take things too personally. My philosophy is that the louder a person screams and reacts, the more likely their theological position is weak and indefensible. That doesn't mean the congenial mild mannered person is right -- case in point - Gary - I love the the guy but his flat-earth view is just indescribably fatiguing!

So I find it funny that EG and Preacher are having this debacle! LOL Because they are both staunch OSAS, and I am a biblical non-OSAS! (and we have had our run-ins and will continue to have them). But I basically agree with EG on free will, and I agree wholeheartedly here with Preacher's view on works.

I just cannot wait till we all sit around in heaven and have Paul explain his doctrine. I want to see EG and Preacher with their mouths hanging open from the shock!

And then after that I might rolleyes: ) have my mouth fall open when I look down and see the Earth is flat! LOL!

How can you keep repenting, either you know it is a sin or not. This religious thinking you have to change your mind about a sin all the time is not from God, you repented when you were saved.

now confession? We should always confess of our sins, but like John said, we always have an advocate, I am not going to judge anyone who is committing any sin, as not being saved, because I have to look inside. And see my own sin (take the plank out of my eye)

we need to come side by side with our brothers and sisters. Not as their judge, that’s Gods job, but as their brother and sister, helping each other in love.
that’s why we all should be in some sort of discipleship relationship with someone in our church,

A lot to deal with in the above, and thanks for the time and effort you spent in typing it out. I cannot at this time deal with every detail but wanted to address the heart of what you've stated brother.

I see the Gospel at work in you, that you see this working as a life of repentance, being sensitive to God, checking your walk and your fellowship with Christ, and obedience, and being watchful to abide in Him via your walk. Some simply do not get it in their easy-believe-ism ideology that this is the working of God and is of God.

I agree with 1 John 4:20, hating a brother is evidence of a false conversion. I feel there are some that do hate their brothers on this very site yet say they love God, which biblically is an impossibility and a self-deception. The way they further deceive themselves is to say to others or themselves about the one they hate "Well, I don't consider him saved, so I can hate him, he's not a brother!!!!" Only God can bring them out of that mess of self-deception.

A good example

I admit that coveting is a sin yet for some reason every time a family
Member gets something new I get Helios and cover what they have

How can I repent of that sin again? I already admitted it was a sin and in the past. I did not change my thinking into believing it was ok to do and no longer a sin

So to say I Must repent if that sin again is Nonsensical. Now should I confess it? Yes to God and others so I can be healed. But as a means of securing or maintaining my salvation. That makes
My eternal life based on works not grace

My brother, confess mean admid. That is good start but we have to go to the next step, and that is regred an fell sorry of what we did.

Say we rob the bank, than we confess, God I robe the bank, then we do it again tomorrow,

I don't think that is what God want.

Yes we need to confess but not stop there, if we get millions from that robery and we use 1000, we have 999000 left, come to the bank give back that left over and say sorry, promise to pay another 1000 that we use as soon as we can.

One again, confess is good start, but repent must be the next step.

Repentance is required at our Salvation , but there is a repentance with a small r that is I believe required daily for known sins...
I believe from what I have read that repentance ( small r ) covers the consequences of our sins...

I have to say EG , I do not believe what you say about @preacher4truth , he is my brother in Christ , I do not want to get in the middle of what your problem is between each other , I just pray that you can both reconcile whatever it is between you both...
...xox...

You're on the right road theologically, yes repentance is a lifestyle of the Christian.

Unfortunately EG has, even after calling others to behave, continued, while pleading for others to stop said behavior himself at least toward me. He has gone to the extent to shame and bully another person for merely agreeing with me or liking my posts, calling her on it publicly. He continues to take jabs at me while shaming others for their doing the same. I know what Scripture calls such behavior.

I will continue to show the wavering and errors not only of his teachings, but of his nearly daily posts directed at MY PERSON to cause division, shame others for being my friends, and for sowing discord.

I've offered reconciliation to him in the past, he has not only rejected this, he continues the things stated above.

Thank you @Rosemaryx for having my back. Several of his group make certain to go ad hominem on me here daily. I can handle it, but I literally loathe when any person who goes out publicly to shame others for being friends with a person. That and the incessant false accusations and name calling that go along with it needs to end.