Does "loving God" include my works or just how I feel?

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Salvation does not include works. One is saved at the moment of conversion and the Holy spirit is now in residence in the repentant believer. Afterwards, 1st John says, "But whoso keeps his word, in him verily is THE LOVE OF God PERFECTED, hereby know we that we are in him". I am not going to type out a lot of verses, but just ask that before anyone starts giving personal opinions, look up the key words in the question from your CONCORDANCE, and use the KJV. Ideas from commentaries, books and opinions just do not cut it, the truth is only found in the word of God, don't go else where. And stop all these cutting remarks to each other, that behaviour is shameful.
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I have learned much by referencing commentaries and I wish that more CC users would do so as it is often very obvious that they need to.

I know that there are commentaries written by liberal theologians that do not even believe in the inspiration or infallible inerrancy of the scriptures but I don't read those authors and I am not recommending that any one should. However, there are many great commentaries to reference that will help illuminate understanding that is not "a man's" opinion, but a sound hermeneutic / interpretation, often bringing up other scriptures to support that hermeneutic.

If someone refuses to ever examine a commentary under any circumstances I can almost guarantee you that they are not very knowledgeable in scripture and much of their understanding of scriptures are wrong and while they pontificate with over zealous confidence they are oblivious to the fact that they are viewed by their readers as quite ignorant. Why? Because no one who really knows the word of God in depth with correct interpretation would say they never review commentaries.

The only people who do not believe in referencing great Bible reference books are people who never read great bible reference books. Before you call me "Captain Obvious" what I mean to say by that is that any one who does read great Bible reference books including great commentaries will have gained so much by the experience that they would never make such a comment.

Every time (without fail) that I have encountered someone that refuses to reference commentaries, and who seems to take great pride in denigrating the use of commentaries. that person has had a GREAT need to reference commentaries because they are often misinterpreting scriptures that they think they know.
 
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Love is a verb. "If you love me, feed my sheep." He knew that we are good with feelings and giving lip service to our feelings but our actions prove the truth of the things we say. As has been said, the two need to co-exist. God searches the attitudes of our heart and our actions prove the truth or lie of our words.
Also, our emotions can lie. If you have ever been depressed you realize that your emotions may not be a good way of gauging reality. A person can say they love their boyfriend/girlfriend and even have romantic feelings for them but if they cheat and are abusive, they do not love. Their love is proved by their actions.
These are my thoughts.
 
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Scribe said:
I have learned much by referencing commentaries and I wish that more CC users would do so as it is often very obvious that they need to.

I know that there are commentaries written by liberal theologians that do not even believe in the inspiration or infallible inerrancy of the scriptures but I don't read those authors and I am not recommending that any one should. However, there are many great commentaries to reference that will help illuminate understanding that is not "a man's" opinion, but a sound hermeneutic / interpretation, often bringing up other scriptures to support that hermeneutic.

If someone refuses to ever examine a commentary under any circumstances I can almost guarantee you that they are not very knowledgeable in scripture and much of their understanding of scriptures are wrong and while they pontificate with over zealous confidence they are oblivious to the fact that they are viewed by their readers as quite ignorant. Why? Because no one who really knows the word of God in depth with correct interpretation would say they never review commentaries.

The only people who do not believe in referencing great Bible reference books are people who never read great bible reference books. Before you call me "Captain Obvious" what I mean to say by that is that any one who does read great Bible reference books including great commentaries will have gained so much by the experience that they would never make such a comment.

Every time (without fail) that I have encountered someone that refuses to reference commentaries, and who seems to take great pride in denigrating the use of commentaries. that person has had a GREAT need to reference commentaries because they are often misinterpreting scriptures that they think they know.
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And what is the commentary about this question?
 
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Love is a work, Romans 5:8

But loving God is not a requirement to be saved.

You are required to believe in God's love for you, that means believing that his Son died for your sins and rose again for your justification (1 Cor 15:1-4)
 
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Jackson123 said:
And what is the commentary about this question?
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That does not make sense. Bible commentaries discuss the interpretation of each verse in the bible. You know that. :)
 
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I have learned much by referencing commentaries and I wish that more CC users would do so as it is often very obvious that they need to.

I know that there are commentaries written by liberal theologians that do not even believe in the inspiration or infallible inerrancy of the scriptures but I don't read those authors and I am not recommending that any one should. However, there are many great commentaries to reference that will help illuminate understanding that is not "a man's" opinion, but a sound hermeneutic / interpretation, often bringing up other scriptures to support that hermeneutic.

If someone refuses to ever examine a commentary under any circumstances I can almost guarantee you that they are not very knowledgeable in scripture and much of their understanding of scriptures are wrong and while they pontificate with over zealous confidence they are oblivious to the fact that they are viewed by their readers as quite ignorant. Why? Because no one who really knows the word of God in depth with correct interpretation would say they never review commentaries.

The only people who do not believe in referencing great Bible reference books are people who never read great bible reference books. Before you call me "Captain Obvious" what I mean to say by that is that any one who does read great Bible reference books including great commentaries will have gained so much by the experience that they would never make such a comment.

Every time (without fail) that I have encountered someone that refuses to reference commentaries, and who seems to take great pride in denigrating the use of commentaries. that person has had a GREAT need to reference commentaries because they are often misinterpreting scriptures that they think they know.
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if commentaries help you then that is great, but is is the Spirit that leads into all truth (i believe). not any man or women ....... unless they have heard from the Spirit and that is where they are speaking from (in Commentaries, ect.)


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... while they pontificate with over zealous confidence they are oblivious to the fact that they are viewed by their readers as quite ignorant. Why? Because no one who really knows the word of God in depth with correct interpretation would say they never review commentaries.
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even if there were no Bibles in the World and somone learned from the Spirit of God they may know more than somone who has read the Bible and commentaries all their lives but not learned in conjunction with the Spirit in their life what it all really means (What it all really means according to God -- Who knows All ... 1 Corinthians 13: 12 "Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.")


Romans 1
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools ...
 
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Guojing said:
But loving God is not a requirement to be saved.
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Scribe said:
There is no way to make that statement true
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Romans 1
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools ...
 
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Blue_Of_Lake said:
Romans 1
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools ...
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Is Paul telling us there we need to love God for us to be saved?
 
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Guojing said:
Love is a work, Romans 5:8

But loving God is not a requirement to be saved.

You are required to believe in God's love for you, that means believing that his Son died for your sins and rose again for your justification (1 Cor 15:1-4)
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So you believe it doesn't mater if you hate God you still save?
 
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Guojing said:
Is Paul telling us there we need to love God for us to be saved?
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Luke 10
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

What shall I do for salvation

Love God and love neighbor
 
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Jackson123 said:
Luke 10
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

What shall I do for salvation

Love God and love neighbor
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But if you go by God’s standard, as Paul stated in romans 5;8, we must be willing to sacrifice our sons.

Are you sure? The law of Moses does not allow you to merely try your best
 
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Guojing said:
God wants to take all the credit for your salvation
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well, God did create me, so if i do something it is definately because i Exist. ☺ no God -- no Me -- no doing by me. 🙄
 
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Guojing said:
Is Paul telling us there we need to love God for us to be saved?
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it is telling us what happens to people who don't like to think about Him (retain Him in their knowledge).

God gives them up to bad things (if you read the rest of the chapter) one of which is -- no love (lack of love).
 
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Blue_Of_Lake said:
it is telling us what happens to people who don't like to think about Him (retain Him in their knowledge).

God gives them up to bad things (if you read the rest of the chapter) one of which is -- no love (lack of love).
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So did Paul tell us that the solution for that, is for us to love God?
 
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Blue_Of_Lake said:
well, God did create me, so if i do something it is definately because i Exist. ☺ no God -- no Me -- no doing by me. 🙄
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But I am sure you don’t want to have fellow residents of heaven coming up to you and say, “Guess how I love God in order to secure my salvation?” 🤣
 
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Guojing said:
But if you go by God’s standard, as Paul stated in romans 5;8, we must be willing to sacrifice our sons.

Are you sure? The law of Moses does not allow you to merely try your best
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God standard love is like what Jesus did, willing to die for other salvation. No body able to do that of oneslf

A branch can not bear fruit of itself only if a branch abide in Him, it will bear fruit

And the fruit of Holy Spirit is love like Jesus did
 
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Jackson123 said:
God standard love is like what Jesus did, willing to die for other salvation. No body able to do that of oneslf

A branch can not bear fruit of itself only if a branch abide in Him, it will bear fruit

And the fruit of Holy Spirit is love like Jesus did
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As long as we are in this flesh of ours, no one will able to love as God did.

That 1st and 2nd commandment of the Law of Moses is to make us turn to God and acknowledge that we cannot.

Thus, God showed us that he can, Jesus did the work of love required, and he graciously allow us to be credited with what he done, as the basis of our righteousness.
 
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