There was absolutely no need for lock downs!

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Nehemiah6

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Note: A study has been done to see if lock downs actually reduced death rates. The result was "No effect whatsoever". The full article is quoted from World News Daily, (WND) with my sub-headings in blue. It should be clearly after reading this that lock downs were a political ploy to shut down economies, and that the Wuhan virus was politicized from day one.

WND
Study: Lockdowns had no effect on death rates!
Policies 'appear to be substantial long-run government failures'
By Art Moore


BIG TIME GOVERNMENT FAILURE
In a country-by-country comparison, a Danish professor has concluded the evidence shows the spring 2020 lockdowns in response to the coronavirus pandemic had no effect on death rates.

PROPER SCIENTIFIC STUDIES WERE CONDUCTED
Further, wrote Professor Christian Bjørnskov of Aarhus University, the unprecedented shutdown policies "appear to be substantial long-run government failures." His paper, "Did Lockdown Work? An Economist's Cross-Country Comparison," sought to "explore the association between the severity of lockdown policies in the first half of 2020 and mortality rates." The professor of economics used two indices from the University of Oxford's school of government as COVID-19 policy measures and compared weekly mortality rates from 24 European countries in the first halves of 2017-2020. "I find no clear association between lockdown policies and mortality development," he wrote. His paper reviewed two other studies that reached the same conclusion.

LOCKDOWNS PRODUCED A MAJOR RECESSION
"The lockdowns in most Western countries have thrown the world into the most severe recession since World War II and the most rapidly developing recession ever seen in mature market economies," Bjørnskov wrote. "They have also caused an erosion of fundamental rights and the separation of powers in large part of the world as both democratic and autocratic regimes have misused their emergency powers and ignored constitutional limits to policy-making."

SCHOLARLY METHODOLOGY COMPARED 24 COUNTRIES
He reasoned then that it's "important to evaluate whether and to which extent the lockdowns have worked as officially intended: to suppress the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and prevent deaths associated with it." In his comparison of 24 countries, he found the lockdowns did not work as intended, finding no association with lower mortality. The paper was published by The SSRN, formerly known as Social Science Research Network, which describes itself as "a repository for preprints and international journal devoted to the rapid dissemination of scholarly research in the social sciences and humanities and more."

LONG RUN GOVERNMENT FAILURES
'Long-run government failures'
Bjørnskov noted much has been made of Sweden's decision not to impose a full-scale lockdown. He pointed out that Sweden's mortality rates are 14% higher than in the preceding three years. That is slightly more than France but considerably lower than Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom, which all implemented much stricter policies. "The problem at hand is therefore that evidence from Sweden as well as the evidence presented here does not suggest that lockdowns have significantly affected the development of mortality in Europe," he said.


DEATHS WERE ACTUALLY HIGHER IN LOCK DOWNS
"It has nevertheless wreaked economic havoc in most societies and may lead to a substantial number of additional deaths for other reasons," wrote Bjørnskov. He cited a British government report from April predicting a limited lockdown could cause 185,000 excess deaths over the next years. "Evaluated as a whole, at a first glance, the lockdown policies of the Spring of 2020 therefore appear to be substantial long-run government failures," the professor concluded.

RATIONALITY WAS ABANDONED
'Rationality has played only a small part' in public policy. A case against the coronavirus lockdowns also has been made by former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson in two self-published booklets available on Amazon.com. His latest is "Unreported Truths about COVID-19 and Lockdowns: Part 2: Update and Examination of Lockdowns as a Strategy." Berenson said in an interview with Fox News that it's important to get different perspectives at a time when 90% of media "is saying the same thing, with very little pushback or smart questioning." The lockdowns in the spring of 2020 "really came out of nowhere," he said.

LOCK DOWNS WERE PREVIOUSLY REJECTED
"When you look at the history of lockdowns, they were rejected over and over again as a tool when we were considering what to do about flu epidemics, including flu epidemics that would have been much worse than what the coronavirus epidemic is," Berenson said. "I'm talking about something up to the Spanish Flu, or possibly even worse than that. The health authorities and the scientists who considered this said, 'No lockdowns. Lockdowns don’t work.'" Previous data indicate lockdowns don't work once the epidemic stage is reached, he said. but government leaders did it anyway as they struggled to understand COVID-19. "We threw out a lot of work that we had done in a matter of days," Berenson said. "It is completely unprecedented. Wherever you stand on lockdowns, you should understand how unprecedented this is."

He said he would be surprised if there were additional lockdowns going forward, in part because "there is an understanding now of how destructive" they were to both society and the economy. "In Arizona, Texas and Florida, the worst of it is behind us in terms of the number of people hospitalized," Berenson said.

"The death counts will still continue to rise, but they accomplished that without a major lockdown. So, I think, rationally, governors who look at that and distance themselves from the media hysteria, will say, look in Houston ... Phoenix, Miami, without lockdowns those hospitals continued to function." Berenson said "rationality has played only a small part" in public policy, so nothing would shock him.

"The point of the lockdown is supposed to be to save the hospitals from being overrun, to save us all from some sort of massive societal collapse. That didn’t happen," he said. "So what on earth would we be doing it for going forward?"

Not surprisingly, there also is a censorship angle to Berenson's message. Amazon initially told Berenson his first booklet didn't meet the company's "guidelines." But the digital retail giant backed down after SpaceX CEO Elon Musk and other prominent journalists spoke up for Berenson.

https://www.wnd.com/2020/08/4842159/
 

Nehemiah6

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EUROPE PUSHING FOR MORE LOCKDOWNS DESPITE “BEATING BACK” COVID-19

This shifting of goalposts reveals the lockdowns aren’t just about the virus
Kit Daniels | Infowars.com - AUGUST 5, 2020


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Several European nations are pushing more draconian lockdowns despite the media previously claiming they had “beaten back” the coronavirus. Belgium, for example, is threatening a “total lockdown,” including a restriction in which “a family or those living together can meet only the same five people from outside their household over the next four weeks,” and Spain and France are also threatening similar lockdowns.

The Belgian government has warned that country could be put into a second ‘complete lockdown’ following a significant spike in infections, while the Spanish region of Catalonia may also have to reintroduce lockdown measures if outbreaks are not brought under control within 10 days,” reported The Guardian. “In France, the health minister has called for greater vigilance after a sharp rise in Covid-19 cases in young people, and Germany’s public health advisory body has said it is ‘deeply concerned’ about the rise in cases over the past few weeks.”

This despite the New York Times declaring in June that France had “beaten back the coronavirus,” and other outlets had also said similar things about other countries. “President Emmanuel Macron’s government has beaten back the coronavirus, prevented mass layoffs, propped up the salaries of the unemployed, staved off long food lines, and achieved a lower death rate than its neighbors, Germany excepted,” the Times reported. “Mr. Macron ordered a strict lockdown that lasted nearly two months, and when it was over the virus was barely circulating.”

So either the strict lockdown didn’t work, or the lockdowns in general are serving a different agenda.

“With these new restrictions will come more economic devastation, more unemployment, more suicide, more drug overdoses, and more cancer death,” quipped Ryan McMaken of the Mises Institute. “This cycle is likely to repeat itself, because lockdowns do not make diseases go away. They only—assuming the theory behind the lockdown is actually true—spread out infections into the future.”

“Consequently, it increasingly looks like the global public should expect regimes to keep locking down their citizens again and again. The only way this cycle will end is if (a) populations revolt against lockdowns or (b) herd immunity is reached either through widespread transmission or through a vaccine.”

There’s been admitted discrepancies in “official” Covid-19 case counts by government officials, yet this hasn’t stopped politicians from extending lockdowns by touting inaccurate numbers. Such was the case in Florida where several labs reported zero negative results despite over 3,500 COVID tests, which a university professor labeled a “scandal begging for press coverage” as it lead to further restrictions in the state.

https://www.infowars.com/euope-pushing-for-more-lockdowns-despite-beating-back-covid-19/
 

Roughsoul1991

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Just look at California. Same spike, high deaths and the state never really left from the original lockdown.
 
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EleventhHour

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Just look at California. Same spike, high deaths and the state never really left from the original lockdown.
Lockdowns only work so that contact tracing can be put into effect. Secondly people need to adhere to the recommendations, do you know if they did?

Contact tracing is probably the single most effective tool to stop a virus. None of this is new, amazes me that people cannot wrap their head around that. There is a reason SARS Cov-1 no longer exists.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Lockdowns only work so that contact tracing can be put into effect. Secondly people need to adhere to the recommendations, do you know if they did?

Contact tracing is probably the single most effective tool to stop a virus. None of this is new, amazes me that people cannot wrap their head around that. There is a reason SARS Cov-1 no longer exists.
We have been told that lockdowns were also to flatten the curve and limit the spread of the virus.

In which we have flattened the curve and most healthcare facilities are not overran like back in March. Many areas are starting to see a decline in cases. Ironically even in the beginning, the majority of the country was never close to being overrun, mostly big cities.

Secondly people need to adhere to the recommendations, do you know if they did?
Well with some of the most strict mandates and law enforcement on the lockdown measures, I would hate to know what the next step would be to ensure perfect lockdown measures if they didn't abide.

Contact tracing is probably the single most effective tool to stop a virus.
I doubt it. The R 0 for COVID-19 is a median of 5.7, according to a study published online in Emerging Infectious Diseases.

Something that contagious is extremely hard to control. For example, I was in a martial arts class practicing choke holds on my partner who was a police officer. I didn't find out until a week later he had tested positive for COVID as he felt sick the day after we had contact.

Point is especially if people are asymptomatic they will come in contact with people before even knowing if they are sick.

They are starting to see a rise in suicide, drug use, and mentally ill patients. Economical stress is a factor.

There is a reason SARS Cov-1 no longer exists
I'm for herd immunity. We are not getting the vaccine.

Our government lost their respect for lockdowns once they began to hypocritically treat people differently. Tyrannical in nature. And became a threat to liberty. We need to react like Germany recently where thousands marched the streets in protest to the covid lockdowns.
 
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Note: A study has been done to see if lock downs actually reduced death rates. The result was "No effect whatsoever". The full article is quoted from World News Daily, (WND) with my sub-headings in blue. It should be clearly after reading this that lock downs were a political ploy to shut down economies, and that the Wuhan virus was politicized from day one.

WND
Study: Lockdowns had no effect on death rates!
Policies 'appear to be substantial long-run government failures'
By Art Moore


BIG TIME GOVERNMENT FAILURE
In a country-by-country comparison, a Danish professor has concluded the evidence shows the spring 2020 lockdowns in response to the coronavirus pandemic had no effect on death rates.

PROPER SCIENTIFIC STUDIES WERE CONDUCTED
Further, wrote Professor Christian Bjørnskov of Aarhus University, the unprecedented shutdown policies "appear to be substantial long-run government failures." His paper, "Did Lockdown Work? An Economist's Cross-Country Comparison," sought to "explore the association between the severity of lockdown policies in the first half of 2020 and mortality rates." The professor of economics used two indices from the University of Oxford's school of government as COVID-19 policy measures and compared weekly mortality rates from 24 European countries in the first halves of 2017-2020. "I find no clear association between lockdown policies and mortality development," he wrote. His paper reviewed two other studies that reached the same conclusion.

LOCKDOWNS PRODUCED A MAJOR RECESSION
"The lockdowns in most Western countries have thrown the world into the most severe recession since World War II and the most rapidly developing recession ever seen in mature market economies," Bjørnskov wrote. "They have also caused an erosion of fundamental rights and the separation of powers in large part of the world as both democratic and autocratic regimes have misused their emergency powers and ignored constitutional limits to policy-making."

SCHOLARLY METHODOLOGY COMPARED 24 COUNTRIES
He reasoned then that it's "important to evaluate whether and to which extent the lockdowns have worked as officially intended: to suppress the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and prevent deaths associated with it." In his comparison of 24 countries, he found the lockdowns did not work as intended, finding no association with lower mortality. The paper was published by The SSRN, formerly known as Social Science Research Network, which describes itself as "a repository for preprints and international journal devoted to the rapid dissemination of scholarly research in the social sciences and humanities and more."

LONG RUN GOVERNMENT FAILURES
'Long-run government failures'
Bjørnskov noted much has been made of Sweden's decision not to impose a full-scale lockdown. He pointed out that Sweden's mortality rates are 14% higher than in the preceding three years. That is slightly more than France but considerably lower than Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom, which all implemented much stricter policies. "The problem at hand is therefore that evidence from Sweden as well as the evidence presented here does not suggest that lockdowns have significantly affected the development of mortality in Europe," he said.


DEATHS WERE ACTUALLY HIGHER IN LOCK DOWNS
"It has nevertheless wreaked economic havoc in most societies and may lead to a substantial number of additional deaths for other reasons," wrote Bjørnskov. He cited a British government report from April predicting a limited lockdown could cause 185,000 excess deaths over the next years. "Evaluated as a whole, at a first glance, the lockdown policies of the Spring of 2020 therefore appear to be substantial long-run government failures," the professor concluded.

RATIONALITY WAS ABANDONED
'Rationality has played only a small part' in public policy. A case against the coronavirus lockdowns also has been made by former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson in two self-published booklets available on Amazon.com. His latest is "Unreported Truths about COVID-19 and Lockdowns: Part 2: Update and Examination of Lockdowns as a Strategy." Berenson said in an interview with Fox News that it's important to get different perspectives at a time when 90% of media "is saying the same thing, with very little pushback or smart questioning." The lockdowns in the spring of 2020 "really came out of nowhere," he said.

LOCK DOWNS WERE PREVIOUSLY REJECTED
"When you look at the history of lockdowns, they were rejected over and over again as a tool when we were considering what to do about flu epidemics, including flu epidemics that would have been much worse than what the coronavirus epidemic is," Berenson said. "I'm talking about something up to the Spanish Flu, or possibly even worse than that. The health authorities and the scientists who considered this said, 'No lockdowns. Lockdowns don’t work.'" Previous data indicate lockdowns don't work once the epidemic stage is reached, he said. but government leaders did it anyway as they struggled to understand COVID-19. "We threw out a lot of work that we had done in a matter of days," Berenson said. "It is completely unprecedented. Wherever you stand on lockdowns, you should understand how unprecedented this is."

He said he would be surprised if there were additional lockdowns going forward, in part because "there is an understanding now of how destructive" they were to both society and the economy. "In Arizona, Texas and Florida, the worst of it is behind us in terms of the number of people hospitalized," Berenson said.

"The death counts will still continue to rise, but they accomplished that without a major lockdown. So, I think, rationally, governors who look at that and distance themselves from the media hysteria, will say, look in Houston ... Phoenix, Miami, without lockdowns those hospitals continued to function." Berenson said "rationality has played only a small part" in public policy, so nothing would shock him.

"The point of the lockdown is supposed to be to save the hospitals from being overrun, to save us all from some sort of massive societal collapse. That didn’t happen," he said. "So what on earth would we be doing it for going forward?"

Not surprisingly, there also is a censorship angle to Berenson's message. Amazon initially told Berenson his first booklet didn't meet the company's "guidelines." But the digital retail giant backed down after SpaceX CEO Elon Musk and other prominent journalists spoke up for Berenson.

https://www.wnd.com/2020/08/4842159/
The problem was that there weren't any lockdowns. Businesses closed and people stayed home from work, then ran around doing whatever they pleased. That is not a lockdown. That is a vacation.
 

Prycejosh1987

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It depends on the area, and it depends on the country. I believe lock down was required in all the different situations we are facing at the moment.