The Rejection Of God

"If Christianity goes, the whole of our culture goes. Then you must start painfully again, and you cannot put on a new culture ready made. You must wait for the grass to grow to feed the sheep to give the wool out of which your new coat will be made. You must pass through many centuries of barbarism. We should not live to see the new culture, nor would our great-great-great-grandchildren: and if we did, not one of us would be happy in it."(CC, 200) T.S. Eliot’s “Christianity and Culture”

Throughout the centuries, the Christian influence has civilized the most pagan of cultures rather it be the Romans, the Vikings, the Native Americans, Europeans, etc. The Protestant missionaries, pastors, evangelists, and the Catholic saints had a large influence on pagan cultures. If you study the before and after you will see the contrast is like night vs day. Of course, throughout history, you will have leaders who tried to force Christianity by the sword or rifle but it is by majority those who went and lived among the pagans and who often gave their life as evident in Foxe's Book of Martyrs, that had the greatest influence.
https://www.christianbook.com/foxes...tian-classic/john-foxe/9781565637818/pd/35043

One example to reach the Native Americans was the Thomas Jefferson's Bible which was titled The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, Being Extracted from the Account of His Life and Doctrines Given by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; Being an Abridgement of the New Testament for the Use of the Indians, Uncomplicated with Matters of Fact or Faith Beyond the Level of Their Comprehensions.

Despite the modern critics who leave out that Jefferson simply thought the Gospels would be too complicated for the Indians. It was originally meant to be sent with Christian missionaries, to abridge the Indians from pagan thinking.

Why is it in every country around the world that has not had centuries of Christian influence still centuries behind in civil rights, social justice, liberty, and value of life?

Notice today as each Christian rooted civilization is returning to barbarism. Why? For the obvious reason as each culture feels they must be liberalized from the traditional way with the hope, they can bring in their mind a perfect world brought on by man without God and can be sustained without God.

You will not gain any human rights if you reject Christianity. You will only further collapse into the chaos and out of chaos, a ruler will come. It happened in Germany, Russia, France, and Cuba. Either the people are worn out from the bloodshed, starvation, and a broken economy will flock to the empty promises like that of Hitler or they will be crushed as someone like Stalin or Napoleon who is waiting like a lion to pounce at the right time to seize their prey. And by either deception or force, the people move from Anarchy to a dictator.

The barbarism continues as they struggle to hold power, the people constantly rebolt, flee, or become a shell of a human as they robotically do the whims of government. Millions die. One coup after another, one Constitution after another.

Nothing is new under the sun. The human condition of the heart naturally leans towards wickedness. Without God, that wickedness will only grow into depravity so far gone that evil will become normal.

But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. John Adams

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

In Christ was this American dream built. Where liberty was gained for all. The words we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

This set an unprecedented and counter movement from dictators, kings, tyrants, and proclaimed that certain unalienable rights are God-given and that no man or government has the right to give or take away. This set in motion a dream and a promise that millions around the world fled to.

The Founding Fathers built a governing system on the Judeo-Christian foundation. They built it on a solid foundation and gave the power to the people through a constitutional republic. Where the people had the foundation and freedom to secure the rights of life, liberty, and prosperity for all.

Fredrick Douglas who was a freed slave became an American social reformer, abolitionist, orator, writer, and statesman. He proclaimed how the foundation was good but certain men kept the nation from moving forward.

"In that instrument I hold there is neither warrant, license, nor sanction of the hateful thing; but, interpreted as it ought to be interpreted, the Constitution is a GLORIOUS LIBERTY DOCUMENT. Read its preamble, consider its purposes. Is slavery among them? Is it at the gateway? or is it in the temple? It is neither. While I do not intend to argue this question on the present occasion, let me ask, if it be not somewhat singular that, if the Constitution were intended to be, by its framers and adopters, a slave-holding instrument, why neither slavery, slaveholding, nor slave can anywhere be found in it.

Now, take the Constitution according to its plain reading, and I defy the presentation of a single pro-slavery clause in it. On the other hand it will be found to contain principles and purposes, entirely hostile to the existence of slavery.

Allow me to say, in conclusion, notwithstanding the dark picture I have this day presented of the state of the nation, I do not despair of this country. There are forces in operation, which must inevitably work the downfall of slavery. “The arm of the Lord is not shortened,” and the doom of slavery is certain. I, therefore, leave off where I began, with hope. While drawing encouragement from the Declaration of Independence, the great principles it contains, and the genius of American Institutions, my spirit is also cheered by the obvious tendencies of the age. -“What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?” Frederick Douglass | July 5, 1852

If we destroy the foundation and promote the secular ideologies of the pagans then the only direction is to revert back to the way of the pagan.

The relationship between sociology and Christianity is a happy and prosperous relationship. Of course, those who are evil and follow the course of evil want to see that relationship to fail. We must never let that happen. To conclude and repeat the words of Eliot, "You must pass through many centuries of barbarism. We should not live to see the new culture, nor would our great-great-great-grandchildren.

Life would be short and filled with heartache. Our children and grandchildren will suffer. What we do today and the years to comes will decide their fate.

Silence is not the answer. Compliance with pagan tyrants is not the answer. God is the answer. There is always a line between God and man. Some lines should never be crossed.

Well there's the problem - there is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian." Christians and Jews have completely opposite views on the only thing that matters. Christian think Jesus is God incarnate, savior of the world. Jews think Jesus was a lying bastard son of a whore who is burning in excrement in hell right now. There is nothing in common.

So if our fathers built this nation on a "judeo-christian" foundation, then they built it on a lie.

You must not realize where we get the OT from. A Judeo-Christian has nothing to do with Jewish religious beliefs but a classification showing the foundation of Christianity came out of Judaism.

Christianity has more in common with Islam than Judaism. At least the muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet.

Appending "Judeo" onto "Christianity" strikes me as blasphemous because their whole identity is now wrapped around the rejection of our savior.

Martin Luther was wrong about some stuff. But he certainly had the jews figured out.

What are you talking about? Are you serious? You may need to study the OT and history. Islam didn't come about until around 600 AD. That is at least 500 centuries after Christianity was well established. Jesus was a Jew as most of the Apostles. The jews are still God's chosen people but gentiles were grafted in. Just because the jews rejected the Messiah and many still today doesn't negate the lineage and the God of the OT.

Judeo-Christian is a belief in the biblical God of Israel, in His Ten Commandments and His biblical moral laws. It is a belief in universal, not relative, morality. It is a belief that America must answer morally to this God, not to the mortal, usually venal, governments of the world.

https://www.dennisprager.com/column/what-does-judeo-christian-mean//

There are three chapters in the New Testament that strongly emphasize the continuing love of God for the Jews. These three chapters have been despised and ignored (or spiritualized into meaninglessness) throughout much of Christian history. The chapters are Romans 9-11. In Romans 9:4 Paul writes that God still has covenants with the Jews which He promises to fulfill. He then makes it clear that the Jews who will receive the blessings are a great remnant that will be saved in the end times (Romans 9:27).

Paul even specifically addresses the question of whether or not God has rejected the Jewish people. He asks, “God has not rejected His people has He?” (Romans 11:1). For 1600 years the Church has answered this question with an unqualified, “Yes!” But Paul answers it by saying, “May it never be!… God has not rejected His people whom he foreknew” (Romans 11:1-2).

But what about their disobedience? What about their rejection of God as king of their nation and Jesus as king of their hearts? Hasn’t their disobedience nullified the promises of God? Again, Paul specifically deals with this issue. He asks, “What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?” (Romans 3:3). And again, for centuries the Church as responded, “Yes!” But not Paul. He responds by saying, “May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar” (Romans 3:4).

https://christinprophecy.org/articles/god-and-the-jews/

I would take some time to study this material and get back with me later.

am not sure that it was actually Jesus Christ that US was built, as those oaths dont mention Jesus at all. They mention God, but it could be the God of this world. There is a reason why so many bible based cults and new age religions come out of the US.

The thing about the constituion is that its always being amended ie. changed. Its a make it up as you go along kind of document.

Like the rewritten history of George Orwells 1984, Thomas Jefferson chopped and changed the bible until it was unrecongnisable. He might have had good intentions, but...things got much WORSE for the native americans. If he had left all the supernatural spiritual aspects of the Bible in, the native americans would have understood what it was on about, for they are a spiritual people.

The thing is, scripture is very clear that you cant do that, as scripture cannot be broken. Nobody can add or take away from scripture, and only God has the power to add or blot names from the book of life.

Each document was signed saying in the year of our Lord using the Christian calendar. The Bible was the most referenced source in the creation of the founding documents and most of the founders were Christian. Religious Freedom allows Christians to worship freely and yes it allows others also within the law of the land. The law was once right in step with Christianity because the law was built on the Bible. So for example Islamic sharia law or jihad would not be allowed under the First Amendment.

Not true. There have been 27 amendments. And it is extremely hard to pass an amendment. Technically what you see are the progressive judges who act like they can make law (which is unlawful) and you have progressives in Congress who do not follow the original interpretation. Then you have progressives in the executive branch like Obama who just unconstitutionally legalized gay marriage on a national scale. So really we have corrupt and ignorant people who pervert the foundation.

He did have good intentions to reach the Indians and many Indian tribes converted and assimilated into the American Society. But the majority did not and only made it worse for themselves as they kept siding with America's enemies and they kept losing.

Also, we are talking about one man out of 100+ founding fathers. Have you ever picked up a kids bible? It will not be as detailed as the original bible. Why? Because the intent is to hit an audience who has minimal ability to understand. Same with the Indians.

Two people die every second . There's only two destinations . Heaven or Hell . We can change the culture or save souls.

This is a perfect example of the disgusting, overly pious, virtue-signalling, platitudes that drive away Christians and non-Christians alike. This type of person is why I stopped going to church. And as long as churches welcome this type of person in, I'll never, EVER go back. An embarrassment to Christianity that needs to be weeded out. I have so many friends that mock me and ridicule Christianity because of people like this. I'm sick and tired of it.

I might take issue with some of the details of the OP's post, but when it comes down to it, I'm totally with him. I want to save the culture because I care about my children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. I care about my neighbors. I care about my countrymen. I care about leaving a better place for them to live in.

1 Timothy 5:8
"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

whatever you say might make sense to you but seems like you protest too much. Nobodys really buying it. sorry.

the thing is you dont cut up the bible to make it simpler to understand to someone who does not speak the same langauge. What you DO is translate it into the language THEY understand...their own!

thats why God gave us the gift of tongues, but some people fail to use it, ignore it, and think everyone should speak the same language they do while not even bothering to learn someone elses.

I am not going to give a kids bible thats been simplifed in english to someone who doesnt even speak english and is not a kid.

It doesn't matter anyway nowadays what someone did, he did it with good intentions regardless if we choose to judge them from 230 years ago based on motive. Plus this was just 1 man out of many. Many who created the first Bible universities.

It doesn't matter what I believe. It is history. I'm simply telling what most people don't study into. I wouldn't need to protest if people would study or read about such topics. Who's nobody? You mean your not really buying it.

So there's no heaven or hell ?