COVID-19 Deaths???

Fear is the great persuader. Think of how many people believe in God because they're afraid of Hell.

June 15, Coronavirus: Crematorium data prove China was lying about COVID-19
On January 25, something strange started happening in China’s crematoriums – proving Beijing wasn’t telling the truth about its virus cases.

I don't think many people are saying that Covid isn't a real threat....I most certainly am not, Covid is very real. It isn't a question of whether Covid is a threat or not, it is the degree of that threat which is the question.

The United States is at close to 190,000 deaths total, but 94% of those are people dying WITH Covid, that's 178,600....that leaves only ~11,400 deaths that are FROM Covid.

Is 11,400 deaths a huge number? Consider that in the United States in 2017 an average of 7,708 deaths occured each and every day.

Now to be clear....in my mind there is zero doubt that Covid, while simply a contributing factor to death and not the direct cause in 94% of cases, that does not mean it isn't shortening lives. However given that SARS-Cov-2 disproportionately affects the elderly (especially 80+) I don't think the number of years lost is as bad as what we're seeing from emergency measures.

CDC Director Robert Redfield is on record as saying that suicides among youth is exceeding what would normally happen, and the obvious reason is lockdown type measures.....shuttering schools, sports, social programs and support networks.

Is Covid a real threat? Yes, absolutely. But I would submit that in the context of the USA it is not a threat which justified destroying the lives of literally tens of millions of people to combat it. It is a question of extremes.....and the response has been extreme, just as doing nothing would be extreme.

It's not all about the dying. The suffering involved for some is what we want to avoid too. My colleague In the US, her sister contracted the virus. Fell into a coma for 3 weeks and is now getting throat surgery.
Now this is an extreme case but I don't wish this upon anyone.

I don't know the full extent, but I chatted with a girl I went to high school with, my age about 54.....she was never hospitalized or anything, but she said it was the most sick she's ever been in her life...and a month after recovering she said climbing 6 or 7 stairs still caused her to be out of breath.

It is not an easy issue, the virus has the potential to be serious and potentially fatal.....but the measures put in place to combat the spread are equally devastating, and I would argue far more damaging to more people.

Again looking at the United States where 40+ million people were put out of work....that has health implications as well. Unemployment can lead to depression, alcohol and substance abuse, spousal and child abuse (mental, physical and sexual abuse). Then there's the impact of cancelling procedures like cardiac surgeries and cancer screenings. Support networks for the marginlized and vulnerable were also shut down. Sadly for many children school is their safe place.....this whole idea of 'stay home, stay safe' is a fallicy for many children.

I'm in Ontario Canada, a province (like a state) with a population of ~14.5 million people.....we have less than 100 Covid patients being treated in our appx 500 hospitals. Unlike for profit American hospitals that seek to increase revenues, our health care system tries to manage costs.....covid patitents don't bring extra medicare and medicaid $$$$ the way it works in US hospitals.

I suspect US hospitals skew stats all the time. Because most of threm are for profit and have useless healthcare. when covid does hit them they will be singing a different tune.

and as ppl point out its not just people dying. People suffering weeks of illness, even if they eventually recover, but a lot of people just dont want to look after anyone whos sick.

People just cant handle it, and most people actually dont know what to do about it.
what is weird is that, there is all these job losses, but govts dont come up with any solutions about re-deploying able people into other USEFUL jobs, like making masks, or manning suicide hotlines or providing deliveries or setting up foodbanks and testing stations.

I mean we can use more teacher aides and support for schools, and readers, rather than parents trying to work from home and be parents and then doing BOTH jobs badly. How about. more cleaners and quarantine inspectors.

agree, except for the " quarantine inspectors".

that is government overreach. the government can ask, but have no authority to make someone stay home when that person has broken no laws......

Most of the sick and deceased got no meds.

No hydroxy
No zinc
No vit d or c
No colloidal silver
No grapefruit seed extract.

You can beat any virus with those.

Enter the hospital, lay there,and once out of control get on a ventilator.

What a plan!

your govt sounds is a a bit useless/clueless sorry. Our govt privided wage subsidies. You had to apply, but they covered us. Yours probably threw you under the bus. I would be mad too if they did that. It shows they dont give a fig about their people. Really callous.

^the attitude of many americans-

we don't need or want our government to care about us, we take care of ourselves. we want the government to stay out of our lives.

the job of the government is to keep the borders secure and collect taxes to build and maintain infrastructure .

i think you are in new zealand. your tyrant confiscated guns a couple of years ago, and did another lockdown a few weeks ago due to 5(!!) new virus cases.

that would not work in america. we would not tolerate it.

I think Americans are difficult to understand for the rest of the world.

We came here to get away from oppression in Europe, for the freedom of religion, for the people’s freedom and freedom from tyrants.

Our society is dependent on the Second Amendment because most of us believe that to keep us safe from a hostile government. This also is the reason for states rights. You can agree or disagree with your state government, but you should not be questioning the idea of states rights.

Well, this was a “How to Understand an American” crash course.

Right you are, but questioning the idea of States rights was what started the Civil War, even though the State of Virginia was wrong.

That is Hair raising.

we were right all along.

China knew exactly what it was doing. Flights between Wuhan and Beijing were blocked, but flights from Wuhan to all other countries were encouraged. That is what covert bio-warfare is all about.

But there is much more behind the COVID conspiracy which should have been thoroughly, independently and immediately investigated by the Trump Administration in January and February of 2020. At the same time Redfield, Fauci, Birx, and all other top public health officials should have been placed on extended leave (with no access to the investigators) until the matter was thoroughly and independently examined. All these people had a very serious CONFLICT OF INTEREST and Trump ignored it.

Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D. is a retired U.S. Army Reserve colonel, who previously worked at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases and conducted basic and clinical research in the pharmaceutical industry. He is a member of the Citizens Commission on National Security. His email address is [email protected].

This is his article posted at ccnationalsecurity.org and The Gateway Pundit.

Time for an Investigation: Dr. Fauci and NIAID Accused of Collaboration with China on the COVID-19 Virus

Not sure if you were aware of this ... I read about this earlier this year ... this article is dated April 16-17, 2020 (bold/underline/color mine):

'ACT OF WAR' Economist claims China hid coronavirus and added pandemic clause in recent US trade deal

• By Sarah White, Assistant Digital Editor

• 16 Apr 2020, 19:09
• Updated: 17 Apr 2020, 17:28

ECONOMIST Danielle DiMartino Booth has claimed China committed an “act of war” by failing to report coronavirus while simultaneously adding a pandemic clause to their recent $200 billion U.S. trade deal.

The CEO says China announced the first coronavirus case “within days” of signing the Phase One agreement on January 15.

DiMartino Booth says because of the “unfettered travel” due to China’s under-reporting of Covid-19 the pandemic was “impossible to contain” - so WHO and China should be held accountable.

...

“Because we know that it was the unfettered travel that made this thing a global phenomenon that was impossible to contain.

“In late November word had already gotten out that there was a virus in Wuhan.

“Six weeks later on January 15, the U.S. trade deal was signed with an out-clause that the Chinese made sure was in there. That said if there was any act of God, a pandemic, then they didn’t have to make good on what they’d committed to buy from the U.S..

“Within days they’d announced the first coronavirus (case).”

...

“If we just ascertain that the Chinese knew for six weeks before saying anything on the global stage to get a trade deal signed, somebody needs to look into that because countless lives have been lost as a result.”

She added: “We’re talking about people losing family members, about trillions of (dollars lost), about suicides in the future, about economic hardship. All of this could have been mitigated had China been honest and had the World Health Organisation made China accountable.”

...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/11414045/china-pandemic-out-clause-coronavirus/

if you want China to face any accountability for anything, you can keep dreaming because it's not going to happen
We could just cut them off entirely but it would hurt us worse than it would hurt them