Chosen by God - A study in Election

Absolutely correct. God CHOSE Israel the nation, after previously CHOOSING Abraham Isaac and Jacob. At one point God reserved by sovereign CHOICE 7000.

Also ask yourself of the prophets: Did any of them make themselves prophets by their own violation? I think the Bible is very consistent in stating that the prophets themselves state that they were CHOSEN to be Gods spokespeople. Including the special case of king David of course.

Isa 1:9 explains what would have been the fate of Israel without Gods direct Intercession:
Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Isaiah indicates that the entire nation would have been destroyed and damned if left wholly to their own devices. So it is in this day and age for this dispensation.

Were Jews saved through faith as individuals or as a nation?

If you were chosen and someone else was not, no implication needed... it is a straight connection............. you rejoice in God's favoritism towards you over someone else.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God!

End of story....

NO ONE gets saved because GOD willed it as MEN must HEAR the GOSPEL AND THEN CHOOSE to believe it.

You can disagree all you want, peddle some form of salvation foreign to the bible and reject the above truth all the day long and it does not CHANGE THE FACT THAT the WORD OF GOD, dia the GOSPEL MUST BE PRESENTED and then a CONSCIENCE decision to accept and believe it must come to pass for one to be saved!

You are kicking against the goads lady!

We are deviating from the limited aspect of the question at hand.
I think everyone can agree that Israel did NOT know God (at the very least to the extent that they remembered Him) until He, according to His foreordained divine purpose, and in due time, raised up Moses in order to demonstrate and declare His Glory to his people in a massive dispensation of miraculous power.

My point is that there may have been NO faithful believing and dutifully worshiping Israelites in Egypt at that time. I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to argue that God showed up because of the faithfulness and passionate prayers of His people who then resided in Egypt.

It was God ALONE, according to His sovereign will and purpose ALONE Who by his Own initiative took upon Himself the task of quite literally creating the nation Israel.

Some kind of pre-cursory faithfulness of the Israelites had absolutely nothing to do with the Exodus. They had no faithfulness to offer. Certainly none that the Bible would indicate to be the INDUCEMENT for God to take action. No, all that the Bible says is that God heard the cries of the Israelites and in MERCY dispensed his gracious favor upon the people in freeing them, according to HIS purpose plan and promises to the fathers. It is NOT the fathers who have a purpose and a plan is God ALONE.

Abraham BELIEVED GOD and it was put to his ACCOUNT AS RIGHTEOUSNESS!

Nobody in their right mind is going to peddle the above while denying.....

The LORD said, "I have surely seen the affliction of My people who are in Egypt, and have given heed to their cry because of their taskmasters, for I am aware of their sufferings.

Or maybe Calvinites cannot grasp....I HAVE GIVEN HEED TO THEIR CRY!!!

Deny all you want pal....it is exactly what your charade boils down to...!

A couple of thoughts to ponder on this Lord's Day.

For those who do not think that salvation is the free Grace of God. God plus nothing.

Ponder these two statements, if you will:


-- When a man teaches that Salvation is a cooperation between God and man......It is like teaching that the clay is in cooperation with the potter, as to how it will be formed.


-- Philosophers say: Free Grace makes man nothing more than a mere puppet on a string.....But the recipients of Grace reply, This is better than making God a puppet on a string, of man's free will.

Ex 3:7
Then the LORD told him, “I have certainly seen the oppression of my people in Egypt. I have heard their cries of distress because of their harsh slave drivers. Yes, I am aware of their suffering.

I don't see here any indication of prayers to God, faithfulness or worship per se or anything similar. In fact the big problem God had with Israel during the Exodus (and throughout their history) was their LACK of faith.

Nothing in my salvation is foreign to scripture.....unfortunately,what you peddle is,especially the fruit of the spirit,and ,you also didn’t know,that God dwells in a believers heart,I had to show you scripture,because you didn’t believe.

I am very secure in my Faith,...what God gives,no one can take away.

You look at your own salvation and how you conduct yourself as a disciple for the Lord.

Those who are truly born again,have a dramatic change in their life and behaviour.and bear fruit of the spirit,which you have kicked against for months.

And No,I had no choice in my saving....God chose me.

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And this in itself proves that there is no election for salvation.

1. Israel was THE elect nation of God: For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. (Isa 45:4) These words were addressed to Cyrus king of Persia. The nation of Israel was in fact the twelve tribes of Israel, descended from Jacob (also named Israel by Christ). But the point is that God here calls Israel "mine elect". Which according to Calvinists should have translated into a totally saved nation. No "ifs" "ands" or "buts".

2. Not a single Jew was elected for salvation: Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the Law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. (Acts 7:51-53)

The entire 7th chapter of Acts is about the nation of Israel. Yet here Stephen totally demolishes the Calvinistic ideas of Unconditional Election (U) and Irresistible Grace (I).

Since I already brought this to your attention, we are now seeing wilful blindness on your part in refusing to accept the truth.

Of course Election has saved Jews, from the Old and New Testament times. There is not two different salvations at work here. That would be ludicrous.

John the baptist said, He that hath the bride (Notice here this is in the past tense, He has the Bride. This cannot be the church, it hasn't even begun yet.) is the bridegroom (Jesus): but the friend of the bridegroom (John), that is standing and hearing him, is rejoicing greatly because of the bridegroom's voice (This should remind us of the parable of the sheep): this my joy therefore is made full. (John 3:29)

You said, 2. Not a single Jew was elected for salvation: Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the Law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. (Acts 7:51-53)

I think you have the wrong view of "Resist the Holy Spirit"

What does he mean by, ".....you always resist the Holy Spirit?

This can only be understood in the context.

1) They were stubborn. (an adjective, meaning: showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of good arguments or reasons to do so. )
2) Their hearts were uncircumcised.
3) Their ears were in the same condition.

This is a description of those who had not received the new birth. They still possessed that old stony heart.

Because of their condition, they resisted the Holy Spirit. Resisted here, means to resist the message of the Holy Spirit, are in other words, the preaching of the Gospel. They loved the darkness and would not come to the light. Just as their fathers would not except the words of Moses, the Prophets, Jesus Christ nor would they hear the present preacher. They couldn't because of their uncircumcised ears.

Resisting the Holy Spirit, cannot apply to the New Birth of John 3:3-10, because that is a direct work of the Spirit upon the individual. The person receiving it is "passive" according to the Greek, therefore they have no more say so about this birth, than they did about the conception of themselves in the flesh, wherein they were co-created by their parents.

As far as Christians are concerned, ONLY the elect are saved. There are no unelected Christians.
I would argue that Isaiah, Jeremiah, John the Baptist and Paul were the beneficiaries of irresistible grace.

Paul refutes (actually destroys) your blanket denials of unconditional election as it relates to National Israel in Romans 11. How in the world people can misunderstand this or resist it is beyond me.

ALL truly redeemed Israelites are individually elected. Just as all redeemed Christians are elected individually.

Rom 11:5,7
So then also, in the present time, there has been a remnant according to the election of grace.

What then? What Israel is seeking, this it has not obtained, but the elect obtained it. And the rest were hardened,

To say that Israelites are not elect to salvation is simply preposterous.
Honestly for the life of me I cannot understand this confusion.

I had better post verse 4, in order to prove that this election protocol was occurring before Christ as well as after.

Rom 11:4
And what was the divine reply to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”

And yes these 7,000 which were indeed elected (reserved) as verse five makes clear.

Romans 8:9-11

You,however ,are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit,if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you.
And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ,they do not belong to Christ.
But if Christ is in you,then even though your body is subject to death because of sin,the Spirit gives life because of righteousness .
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you,he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.




Anyone who is truly born again,will know that the Spirit of God lives in them.

Some of God's children get confused with the function of BEING BORN AGAIN, and being CONVERTED. When we are born again, it comes to most as unnoticed. Jesus explained it to Nicodemus in John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whether it goeth, so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

As for myself, I do not remember when I was born of the Spirit, but my conversion was like the 4th of July"s explosion of fireworks. When the Holy Spirit opened up my knowledge of the scriptures as to what Christ had actually done for me, and imputing his righteousness unto me. I was so excited, I just about drove everyone around me crazy, trying to tell them how simple it was to understand, knowing, full well. that if the Holy Spirit within them does not reveal the knowledge to them, my words would fall on deaf ears.

To my understanding of the scriptures, conversion always follows being born again. of the Spirit.

I believe that Paul was already born again when he was persecuting christians, in all good conscience, before his conversion took place, on the road to Damascus. Paul had already had his stony heart replaced with a fleshy heart that Jesus said that he was kicking against HIS PRICKS.

The stony heart cannot be PRICKED, instead the Jews with the stony heart were CUT TO THE HEART, and stoned Steven to death.

John 15:16, Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.