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pottersclay

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Viewer decrestion advised.

What I've seen here as well as in other forums and churches is that we have a practice of taking God's word that was written in stone and have reduced it to sand. Using our logic and theology.
We try to take grains of sand to bring it back to it's original stone.
I can't understand for the life of me why this is. And I can't express enough how dangerous this is.
I believe that this practice has stunted many churches and caused stumbling blocks in many christian walks.
It seem to me if we are reading out of the same Bible text as the rest it says the same thing.
It's almost as if we don't know what to believe anymore, let alone causing saints to be idle in there walk with God.
Hindering the holy spirit is not a good thing, looking at a pastor or teacher as a authoritative figure is not a good thing.
All of these theologies and idealisms that creep into the church are a sign of poor communication from father to child which is the lack of prayer and guidance of the holy spirit. And not on his part.
Very few times that I've come here let's say is a "one accord " found. Most come to debate to no end. None.
That's so sad.
Theology and doctrines change daily or are newly introduced as bait but to no conclusion. God's word doesn't change.
In these times were living in with theology and idealisms being the norm in order to create a God rather than serve him we must always put a guard up, if we don't know ask, not add or take away from any scripture.
And above all else rely on the holy spirit to teach not youtube, or pastor teacher so and so.
You are accountable, you are enutrusted ,you are called. If your to lazy to pray and read perhaps you might examine yourself. Remember these words that Satan spoke...."did God say".
 
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I agree that new churches and new teachings are popping up all over the place- even in mini malls. And you are correct in saying that God does not change and truth does not change- therefore anything new is a lie. But are you saying that Christians are no longer following the ten commandments? Cause we do, just spiritually now instead of physically like in Moses’ day.

God now writes His laws on our hearts (spiritual) instead of on tablets (physical). And we now obey these same laws spirituality. For example, under the law of Moses you could not take human life without God’s permission (murder). But now under Christ you are guilty of murder at the point when you hate your brother- even before you physically act it out (murder), or even if you never even do act it out physically.

So whether under Moses or under Christ we still obey the same law “Do not murder” But under Christ we obey in “the most excellent way”- Christ’s way- which is love. Love fulfills all the old laws. Because if you genuinely love God and love your brother, you will not steal from your brother, covet his wife, or definitely not murder him, as Cain did.

God’s law was never taken away, but the physical way of obeying it was nailed to the cross forevermore (amen!). This is why an adulterer is no longer taken out of the city and stoned to death- like they had to do under Moses.
 
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pottersclay said:
Viewer decrestion advised.

What I've seen here as well as in other forums and churches is that we have a practice of taking God's word that was written in stone and have reduced it to sand. Using our logic and theology.
We try to take grains of sand to bring it back to it's original stone.
I can't understand for the life of me why this is. And I can't express enough how dangerous this is.
I believe that this practice has stunted many churches and caused stumbling blocks in many christian walks.
It seem to me if we are reading out of the same Bible text as the rest it says the same thing.
It's almost as if we don't know what to believe anymore, let alone causing saints to be idle in there walk with God.
Hindering the holy spirit is not a good thing, looking at a pastor or teacher as a authoritative figure is not a good thing.
All of these theologies and idealisms that creep into the church are a sign of poor communication from father to child which is the lack of prayer and guidance of the holy spirit. And not on his part.
Very few times that I've come here let's say is a "one accord " found. Most come to debate to no end. None.
That's so sad.
Theology and doctrines change daily or are newly introduced as bait but to no conclusion. God's word doesn't change.
In these times were living in with theology and idealisms being the norm in order to create a God rather than serve him we must always put a guard up, if we don't know ask, not add or take away from any scripture.
And above all else rely on the holy spirit to teach not youtube, or pastor teacher so and so.
You are accountable, you are enutrusted ,you are called. If your to lazy to pray and read perhaps you might examine yourself. Remember these words that Satan spoke...."did God say".
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Hindering the holy spirit is not a good thing, looking at a pastor or teacher as a authoritative figure is not a good thing.

But, does not the Holy Spirit impart the Gifts of Preacher and Teacher? Are they not anointed by God to tend to and teach His flock? While they are servants of God to His children, they are appointed/anointed by God, so seeing them as authoritative figures would seem easy to do, and not necessarily wrong. Does not mean we take all they preach/teach as being carved in stone, because we can read for ourselves what Scripture says and determine if they are speaking Gods Word.

We are told to study the Scriptures, and to lean on the Holy Spirit to give us understanding, there is no doubting this. Many people struggle with understanding however, and that is why God anointed Pastors and Teachers. Remember that Aquila and Priscilla instructed Apollos in a better understanding of Scripture. Acts 18:24-26
 
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stepbystep said:
Hindering the holy spirit is not a good thing, looking at a pastor or teacher as a authoritative figure is not a good thing.

But, does not the Holy Spirit impart the Gifts of Preacher and Teacher? Are they not anointed by God to tend to and teach His flock? While they are servants of God to His children, they are appointed/anointed by God, so seeing them as authoritative figures would seem easy to do, and not necessarily wrong. Does not mean we take all they preach/teach as being carved in stone, because we can read for ourselves what Scripture says and determine if they are speaking Gods Word.

We are told to study the Scriptures, and to lean on the Holy Spirit to give us understanding, there is no doubting this. Many people struggle with understanding however, and that is why God anointed Pastors and Teachers. Remember that Aquila and Priscilla instructed Apollos in a better understanding of Scripture. Acts 18:24-26
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We have even the advantage over Apollos in the sense of completed scripture . Which is the understanding
Aquila and Priscilla instructed Apollos
 
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stepbystep said:
Hindering the holy spirit is not a good thing, looking at a pastor or teacher as a authoritative figure is not a good thing.

But, does not the Holy Spirit impart the Gifts of Preacher and Teacher? Are they not anointed by God to tend to and teach His flock? While they are servants of God to His children, they are appointed/anointed by God, so seeing them as authoritative figures would seem easy to do, and not necessarily wrong. Does not mean we take all they preach/teach as being carved in stone, because we can read for ourselves what Scripture says and determine if they are speaking Gods Word.

We are told to study the Scriptures, and to lean on the Holy Spirit to give us understanding, there is no doubting this. Many people struggle with understanding however, and that is why God anointed Pastors and Teachers. Remember that Aquila and Priscilla instructed Apollos in a better understanding of Scripture. Acts 18:24-26
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The second part of your comment is what we should be doing. Just as the bereans to see that it is true.
Let's take a look at Adam and Eve.....Eve giving ear to the tempter and seeing no apparent threat ate of the tree.....Adam then followed eves transgression willfully sins. Both were a child of God.
Many of the idealisms and doctrines are man made. Man has a quest for knowledge and that is where the trouble starts. There are certain things that we simply don't know about God. The why and ways are sometimes to great for our understanding yet we think we should understand all.
A ideal or theology is set into place and is taught under the understanding of mans intellect.
The Lord clearly states that his ways and thought are higher than ours.
Daniel is a prime example of what we should do when we come across things we have no understanding of.....to roll up ....put away ...untill it is revealed.
 
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pottersclay said:
The second part of your comment is what we should be doing. Just as the bereans to see that it is true.
Let's take a look at Adam and Eve.....Eve giving ear to the tempter and seeing no apparent threat ate of the tree.....Adam then followed eves transgression willfully sins. Both were a child of God.
Many of the idealisms and doctrines are man made. Man has a quest for knowledge and that is where the trouble starts. There are certain things that we simply don't know about God. The why and ways are sometimes to great for our understanding yet we think we should understand all.
A ideal or theology is set into place and is taught under the understanding of mans intellect.
The Lord clearly states that his ways and thought are higher than ours.
Daniel is a prime example of what we should do when we come across things we have no understanding of.....to roll up ....put away ...untill it is revealed.
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9¶But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10but God hath revealed them to us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
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throughfaith said:
9¶But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10but God hath revealed them to us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
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Exactly as two walking in agreement. Its not our finger prints or opinions that must be in agreement. The kingdom's understanding comes not by observing the temporal things seen.

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
 
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I was not justifying mans theological ideologies. I was stating that God both anointed and equipped various men/women to preach and teach His Gospel. I do not believe we can off hand dismiss any person called by God to preach or teach His Gospel.

It is through the Holy Spirit that these people are given the inspiration to do the preaching or teaching. So, if one believes we are to rely on the wisdom of the Holy Spirit, we must also accept that those chosen by God and inspired by the Holy Spirit are true preachers and teachers of Gods Gospel.

Are there those who are false teachers? Yes. One can not dismiss all preachers or teachers as false persons just because one wants to.

From the beginning, God has used men to do His work here on earth. These men can not be dismissed or ignored because one does not want to believe in the teachings of men. That did not work out very well for any of the unbelievers in the Bible did it.

Study 1 Corinthians 1-14 to see how God uses men through the Holy Spirit to do His work here on earth. These people are people of God, called by God to do His will here on earth. To dismiss or ignore them is to dismiss or ignore God I believe.
 
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Example:

Many of us know what the great commission is preach the gospel unto all nation's I've seen evangelist go out and deliver the good news but then take it upon their selfs to preach upon eschatology theology.
Now to me that's not biblically sound. A sorta stay in your lane thing if it were.
Eschatology is good news for Christians but not so much to the unsaved.
Jesus sent out the first who didn't even accept or know that he would be crucified let alone his second coming.
Jesus told the first followers of his second coming in private. There seems to be a separation between preaching the gospel and decipleship.......what's your opinion???
 
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Very often unbelievers can become confused if expected to take the Bible at its word, literally, in all respects.
That is why eschatology and other study disciplines are helpful for the Bible student.
Of course, humans still have an ego even as Christians. Maybe it can be said Christianity imbues an ego even deeper when we consider what we're told about ourselves. Of all people on the earth, the sins of whom Jesus took upon himself on the cross, none who believe anything else, even in faiths far far older than ours, are beloved by their creator save for Christians.
As a condition of certain egocentric personalities, we witness traditional teachings that arise and typically in their creators name. And people who then believe that creator is entitled to conflate God's words with their own understanding of them, follow those creators and actually believe in what was created as a transparency over the words of God.
While the holy spirit does indeed lead men and women to teach the gospel good news, that spirit also gives those teachers the power to interpret the meaning behind the words. Some scripture is allegorical, some is historical, some is idiom.I believe the spirit leads the teacher and the astute students to discern which.

garee said:
Exactly as two walking in agreement. Its not our finger prints or opinions that must be in agreement. The kingdom's understanding comes not by observing the temporal things seen.

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
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This is why I think a singular scripture can be appropriate at times while the full context of the message containing it needs be applied as well.
Singular scripture used to define someones personal opinion of a topic, like that in this thread, is a perfect opportunity to gently realize and gain the understanding as to why there can be great confusion in understanding God's words.
This is all just our opinions. :)

Witnesses Summoned Against Israel
Amos 3:1 Hear this word, people of Israel, the word the Lord has spoken against you—against the whole family I brought up out of Egypt:
2 “You only have I chosen
of all the families of the earth;
therefore I will punish you
for all your sins.”
3 Do two walk together
unless they have agreed to do so?
4 Does a lion roar in the thicket
when it has no prey?
Does it growl in its den
when it has caught nothing?
5 Does a bird swoop down to a trap on the ground
when no bait is there?
Does a trap spring up from the ground
if it has not caught anything?
6 When a trumpet sounds in a city,
do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city,
has not the Lord caused it?
7 Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing
without revealing his plan
to his servants the prophets.
8 The lion has roared—
who will not fear?
The Sovereign Lord has spoken—
who can but prophesy?
9 Proclaim to the fortresses of Ashdod
and to the fortresses of Egypt:
“Assemble yourselves on the mountains of Samaria;
see the great unrest within her
and the oppression among her people.”
10 “They do not know how to do right,” declares the Lord,
“who store up in their fortresses
what they have plundered and looted.”
11 Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“An enemy will overrun your land,
pull down your strongholds
and plunder your fortresses.”
12 This is what the Lord says:
“As a shepherd rescues from the lion’s mouth
only two leg bones or a piece of an ear,
so will the Israelites living in Samaria be rescued,
with only the head of a bed
and a piece of fabric[a] from a couch.[b]”
13 “Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob,” declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.
14 “On the day I punish Israel for her sins,
I will destroy the altars of Bethel;
the horns of the altar will be cut off
and fall to the ground.
15 I will tear down the winter house
along with the summer house;
the houses adorned with ivory will be destroyed
and the mansions will be demolished,”
declares the Lord.
Footnotes
  1. Amos 3:12 The meaning of the Hebrew for this phrase is uncertain.
  2. Amos 3:12 Or Israelites be rescued, / those who sit in Samaria / on the edge of their beds / and in Damascus on their couches.
 
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stepbystep said:
I do not believe we can off hand dismiss any person called by God to preach or teach His Gospel.
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This is a different topic. The OP is about being of one mind and in one accord: "Very few times that I've come here let's say is a "one accord " found. Most come to debate to no end. "

This is generally true, since (a) some have a tendency to debate (or argue) for the sake of argument, (b) some refuse to acknowledge the truth from Scripture and continue to peddle their false teachings in the face of correction, and (c) some want to have the last word, regardless of any merit to their arguments.

At the same time we need to frankly admit that Christian forums are a battlefield in the spiritual warfare which rages around us on a daily basis. So expecting unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace may be unrealistic.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
This is a different topic. The OP is about being of one mind and in one accord: "Very few times that I've come here let's say is a "one accord " found. Most come to debate to no end. "

This is generally true, since (a) some have a tendency to debate (or argue) for the sake of argument, (b) some refuse to acknowledge the truth from Scripture and continue to peddle their false teachings in the face of correction, and (c) some want to have the last word, regardless of any merit to their arguments.

At the same time we need to frankly admit that Christian forums are a battlefield in the spiritual warfare which rages around us on a daily basis. So expecting unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace may be unrealistic.
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I agree with Pottersclay on most of what he said, but, apparently, you missed some of what he said.

Hindering the holy spirit is not a good thing, looking at a pastor or teacher as a authoritative figure is not a good thing.

This also is what this Thread is about, as it is part of his statement. This is what I have been commenting on. It is very important to know the totality of a statement to see the part or parts that can cause harm even thought the majority is good. Much like theologies and ideologies. Some of them are good and beneficial, and some are not.

As for the problem of being of one accord, in a congregation, or on a web site; that is fairly impossible I believe. Unless we reduce the definition of one accord to some basic beliefs about Jesus and Christianity. Even the Apostles were not of one accord according to the 15th Chapter of Acts, and other parts of Scripture.

This is a fallen creation we live in. We are an imperfect peoples striving for perfection through Jesus. I do not believe "one accord" will not be fully achieved until Jesus returns.
 
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