Calvinism and Context?

That is not what the early church fathers thought. Or taught. Come to think of it that goes for Paul and Peter as well.

if you can read all that had been written and honestly believe she has dealt with me fairly and the stuff she is saying is right then there is nothing to say.....!

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you are 'both' at 'fault' =
need we say more???

because I wasn’t saved by reading my bible....many have been saved without reading a bible.

So the elect are born saved?

... a question comes to my mind... do you believe those "many" (or, any) can be saved without hearing and knowing anything about "Christ and His finished work, for salvation," as in, not one mention of that [/Him] at all, in their lives and hearing (or testimony)? Just wondering...

Prime example of my post about catch phrases, tilted responses etc....

Mere men hey....MADE in the image of God, and loved so much God sent his son to pay our debt and settle the matter....

Exactly what religion does....devalues the worth of Men.....that even the angels look on and wonder....what is man that though are MINDFUL OF THEM....

YOU have serious issues man!

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you are 'both' at 'fault' =
need we say more???

My questions remain unanswered. Despite your kerfuffle.

I seriously doubt it. And I don't really see anything compelling enough in scripture to make me believe otherwise.

The Apostles did not choose themselves. As the group, the Apostles were far too fragile feeble and spiritually crippled to do anything about their own salvation that's for sure. I think that by the grace of God they were both called AND heeded the call.

And tell me if I'm wrong but every time that Jesus exited the situation they literally fell to pieces.
No, Jesus was the author and finisher of their faith. He chose them explicitly and according to scripture, from eternity past before they were born (as was Paul, as was "probably" every seminal figure in the history of salvation). His prayers perpetuated their perseverance and secured ultimate salvation.

And Judas, in my humble opinion, had absolutely no choice in the matter of his destiny. NONE.
There is no way that any of the scripture pertaining to Christ could have been broken. No way.

I am at fault for defending truth and the correct message of salvation....Ok.....see ya!

Of course not,of course we must know about Christ,I was taught religious education at school and worked for a vicar....when I was saved,I was working for the vicar..who constantly told me about Jesus...his wife also...all part of God’s plan to draw me to him....my belief...goodnight.

Didn't you at one point state that the Bible is not fatalistic or am I mistaken about that?

Well, I am not a philosopher. I take if you are a student of Aristotle?

“Your”.....correct message of salvation.....you don’t know how God....chooses...draws....and saves his children..or do you deny that he choose,draws and saves his children?

Has your spirit been quickened?

“Your”.....correct message of salvation.....you don’t know how God....chooses...draws....and saves his children..or do you deny that he choose,draws and saves his children?

My personal opinion is that simply hearing about Jesus and His mighty work is and has been enough to save people, whether they possess a Bible or not. The believers will eventually lay their hands on one more likely than not though.

My personal opinion is that simply hearing about Jesus and His mighty work is and has been enough to save people, whether they possess a Bible or not. The believers will eventually lay their hands on one more likely than not though.