Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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throughfaith

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Elect = Jews is the simplest way to read this . Its the same as the beginning of James . That is Peters Audience also. No one in any sense is elected to be saved .
 

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Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
 
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Here are a few notable opinions. Food for thought.

"The fact is that “foreknowledge” is never used in Scripture in connection with events or actions; instead, it always has reference to persons. It is persons God is said to “foreknow,” not the actions of those persons."​


"The foreknowledge spoken of (in Romans 8:29) is foreknowledge of persons, not events. The statement reads, “whom He foreknew…” You see this as well in Romans 11:2, speaking of His endearment to Israel: “God did not reject His people whom He foreknew.” Therefore we can deduce that foreknowledge as related to salvation is not just seeing a person’s conversion experience prior to election and therefore electing on the basis of the individual’s choice. It is a foreloving of persons."​

"The word foreknowledge is actually better understood as “thought of endearingly beforehand,” or “foreloved,” or “foreordained with forethought.”​

"[God’s foreknowledge is] the selective knowledge of God that makes one an object of God’s love; it is more than mere knowledge or cognition beforehand. The term focuses on God motivation to act, relating to persons rather than what the persons will or will not do."​


"In this context, God’s foreknowing is divinely purposed, foreknowing only those who would be effectually called in time to saving faith in Christ. When the New Testament speaks of God foreknowing, the object is always people rather than facts, and these people are always objects of His redemption."​

"The foreknowledge of God is based upon His decree, plan, or purpose which expresses His will, and not upon some foreseen act of positive volition on the part of man."​
Yes it’s persons

he saw who.

who is who? Jesus told us in John 6 whoever would see and believe

we see it from the begining, Adam and Eve could have rejected Gods forgiveness. Instead they allowed him to cloth them and cover their nakedness (Sin)

abraham, god made promises, abraham without seeing believed, and because of that, God imputes to him

david, the man after gods own heart, before he committed his grave sins, Because he had faith in god

we can read hebrews 11” and see all the great men And women of faith, people who God saw, and predestined to be justified freely. not because of what they did, but because of what God did or was going to do,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That's my understanding of it.

Perhaps those who take the "God has a crystal ball" approach may never have been the beneficiaries of an in depth study on the matter?
And here is why I hate these discussion. Attack, belittle.

cv5 you should be asAhmed, you took what was so far a nice thread and put a black spot on it,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes many people definitely have a "God has a crystal ball" approach.
Omniscient yet impotent. A very common view in fact.

It stands diametrically opposed to the tenets of so-called Calvinism. For which it was invented in the first place.

Such a view is not supported anywhere in the Bible. Not even close.

As for the rest of your post........Yes definitely.
nothing of value here period. another blatant attack on people who disagree with you,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What if we say that God being willing to endure the vessels fitted for wrath means that God Sovereignly allows people to reject the offer of Grace to their own destruction.

Would He not still be Sovereign and Omnipotent?
Amen, God has the right to do whatever he wants,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
I am NT sure I can agree with this,

predestined is said to be those who were saved they were predestined to receive an inheritance, salvation or adoption happens to be part of that inheritance,

there are the elect who are jews, elect based on being in abraham and recieving his promise then there are the elect of Gods spiritual children, recieving the promises based on Christ, we must learn to differentiate the two
 

throughfaith

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I am NT sure I can agree with this,

predestined is said to be those who were saved they were predestined to receive an inheritance, salvation or adoption happens to be part of that inheritance,

there are the elect who are jews, elect based on being in abraham and recieving his promise then there are the elect of Gods spiritual children, recieving the promises based on Christ, we must learn to differentiate the two
The destination of those in Christ is Guarenteed Glorification/ inheritance/ conformity ( Manifestation of the Sons of God . None of this is for those outside of Christ . The predestination is only applied after someone believes. No verse says a person is chosen to be saved . In any sense ..The Calvinist says 'Absolute predestination ' the Arminian ( which is basically the same calvinistic thinking ) bases this on ' Foreknowledge ' That being chosen/ elected is based on what God saw we would do. Both these positions are false .
 
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The destination of those in Christ is Guarenteed Glorification/ inheritance/ conformity ( Manifestation of the Sons of God . None of this is for those outside of Christ . The predestination is only applied after someone believes. No verse says a person is chosen to be saved . In any sense ..The Calvinist says 'Absolute predestination ' the Arminian ( which is basically the same calvinistic thinking ) bases this on ' Foreknowledge ' That being chosen/ elected is based on what God saw we would do. Both these positions are false .
God saw me before the creation of the world. And chose to conform me to the image of his son.

this is not a calvinist vs arminian issue, it should be a biblical issue, I fear so many make doctrines in order to appose the “other view” Instead of just taking thenword for what it says,

ps.arminianism looks nothing like calvinism. I have heard this a few times this past year, not sure where this thinking comes from
 

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God saw me before the creation of the world. And chose to conform me to the image of his son.

this is not a calvinist vs arminian issue, it should be a biblical issue, I fear so many make doctrines in order to appose the “other view” Instead of just taking thenword for what it says,

ps.arminianism looks nothing like calvinism. I have heard this a few times this past year, not sure where this thinking comes from
ok you say //God saw me before the creation of the world. And chose to conform me to the image of his son.//
Which verses say this? ( And your answer may reveal my point about Arminism being a branch of calvinistic thinking)
 

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Elected to do what? is the best question.
Ephesians 1:4 chosen to be holy and blameless before Him in love. It’s election to a relationship and standing before God. God loved us and knew us intimately before we were born or even before the world was made
 

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Ephesians 1:4 chosen to be holy and blameless before Him in love. It’s election to a relationship and standing before God. God loved us and knew us intimately before we were born or even before the world was made
' In Him ' . We become in him ( him , being Jesus ,the only elect preexisting one before the foundation of the world ) in time . Calvinism and other reformed thinking groups have to have this verse to be a choosing before they exist ..But for bible believers every time ' predestination ' shows up its for a future occurrence, which only is for those in Christ . No one is in Christ before they exist. ( Eph 2.11-12) ) After we are in Christ all those are chosen to be holy and blameless in Him . Only those are chosen to be conformed to his image at glorification/ adoption . ROM 8.23
 

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Just curious to find out how different people here understand this verse/phrase. What does it mean that we are Elect according to the foreknowledge of God?

It’s obvious that it means that Election is based on God’s foreknowledge, but there are different views as to what that means.

Discuss, if you please.
God foreknows each and every person life even before they are born.. He knows how each person will respond to His will even before they make the response.. Therefore from that foreknowledge He can foreknow whom He will conform to the image of Jesus..

Romans 8: KJV {29} For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
 

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To foreknow a person is to automatically foreknow his or her actions. Someone was trying to split hairs.
God does foreknow our actions. But knowing a person means a lot more than knowing their actions.
 

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God foreknows each and every person life even before they are born.. He knows how each person will respond to His will even before they make the response.. Therefore from that foreknowledge He can foreknow whom He will conform to the image of Jesus..

Romans 8: KJV {29} For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
Can it be
Completed at glorification, yes. See Phil. 1:6. 1 John 3:3
But in no way started before we exist?Nor before we believed? The conforming / adoption begins at glorification.
 

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Elect = Jews is the simplest way to read this . Its the same as the beginning of James . That is Peters Audience also. No one in any sense is elected to be saved .
Gentiles believers are also Elect and Chosen.