Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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John146

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There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
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If I'm not mistaken, calling for salvation is a national thing. Gentiles were called for salvation after the nation of Israel's rejection. Yes?
 
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Knowing and foreknowing are slightly different.

The fact remains that predestination occurs before calling, and calling is the act of God that brings us to salvation. So predestination is before salvation.
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Mat 7.23
23And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
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There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
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Paul is referring toro Gospel calling in Romans 8:29-30.

This is not intended to be a thread in defense of Calvinism nor is it intended to be a polemic against it. I intended to try to stick to biblical terms.
 
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Mat 7.23
23And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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I never knew you as a son. The rich man in hell is not named because he was blotted out of the book of life and God did not know him as a son. All that is known of the man is that he was rich and denied Lazarus.
 
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Mat 7.23
23And then will I profess unto them, I never KNEW you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Foreknowledge does not apply to the world of unbelievers, who will never believe. As Jesus prayed, I do not pray for the world...
 
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OIC1965 said:
Paul is referring toro Gospel calling in Romans 8:29-30.

This is not intended to be a thread in defense of Calvinism nor is it intended to be a polemic against it. I intended to try to stick to biblical terms.
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And in what way do you mean ' gospel call ? Jews ,Gentiles , individuals? if individuals how ? and which verse or verses ?
 
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Scripture please about calling?

Before God predestines you, He's got to have knowledge of you, thus foreknowledge. He knows you ahead of time.
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Romans 8:29-30
 
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And in what way do you mean ' gospel call ? Jews ,Gentiles , individuals? if individuals how ? and which verse or verses ?
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Go into all the world...preach to every creature.

Obviously, call in Romans 8 is talking about the preaching of the Gospel that is received. Because those who do not receive it were neither foreknown nor will they be justified.

So yes, Romans 8:30 is an effectual call. If it wasn’t, you would have rejecters being justified and glorified. Impossible!

WhomHe foreknew He predesinated whom He predestinated He called..., etc
 
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OIC1965 said:
Romans 8:29-30
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Predestination has to do with the foreknowledge of God. Before God predestines anyone, He must first know them as a son. Now that God has foreknowledge of one as a son, God predestines them for the future adoption of sons. That's the destination of the believer, the redemption of the body.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
 
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No offense intended my friend. Certainly not to you personally.
And none taken.

BTW, I am trying to track down the specific title of that heresy of which I was speaking.
If I cross paths with it I will post it.
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Who said anything about heresy?

It was the arrogant post about those who disagree with you that was the issue. The slinging
 
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John146 said:
Predestination has to do with the foreknowledge of God. Before God predestines anyone, He must first know them as a son. Now that God has foreknowledge of one as a son, God predestines them for the future adoption of sons. That's the destination of the believer, the redemption of the body.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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Romans 8:29-30
 
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Amen.
There are a lot of similar scriptures. Hyper-Calvinism is way off the rails.
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Anyone who states God chooses a select group over another group is espousing hyper-Calvinism.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Go into all the world...preach to every creature.

Obviously, call in Romans 8 is talking about the preaching of the Gospel that is received. Because those who do not receive it were neither foreknown nor will they be justified.

So yes, Romans 8:30 is an effectual call. If it wasn’t, you would have rejecters being justified and glorified. Impossible!

WhomHe foreknew He predesinated whom He predestinated He called..., etc
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I agree with #151 which answers that .
 
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There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
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Hhhmmmmm.
Well, looking at all of those scriptures that you quoted, all of the persons denoted as called are already and actually saved. Likewise 2Corinthians the individuals DOING the calling are likewise already and actually saved.

So I don't see two callings there. Just one effectual and already consummated call. Just one link in the golden chain of redemption.

Whew. 2Cor 5 is a dynamite chapter. Just saying. Wow. Need to read it more often!
 
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Hhhmmmmm.
Well, looking at all of those scriptures that you quoted, all of the persons denoted as called are already and actually saved. Likewise 2Corinthians the individuals DOING the calling are likewise already and actually saved.

So I don't see two callings there. Just one effectual and already consummated call. Just one link in the golden chain of redemption.

Whew. 2Cor 5 is a dynamite chapter. Just saying. Wow. Need to read it more often!
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#151
 
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I agree. But when someone rejects Christ, they are acting according to their nature. Left to ourselves, we do not desire or truly seek God.

And when one receives Christ, it is because the Father drew them to Christ.

No one can come unless the Father draws

Now I differ fromCalvinism in that I do not hold to irresistable grace ( among a few other things).
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God draws by showing us his truth and conviction

But we still Must make a decision
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Who said anything about heresy?

It was the arrogant post about those who disagree with you that was the issue. The slinging
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I have already apologized for any perceived insult or offense.
It certainly was not the intention of my heart soooo...... ;) We are all good.
 
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