Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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I don't necessarily agree with #233 either.
The topic came up I conducted a little research and I thought it would post what I saw.
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Which I why I gave it a like and thanked you, I asked a question and you answered
 
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throughfaith said:
Israel
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“For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.”

Servant . Purpose . Calling . Never to be saved .
Every occurance of the word chosen and elect is the same .
Check with a word search.
There's one anomoly and that's in Romans were is synonymous with ' faith '
Wake up people of God .
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Good grief man are you short Bibles over there?

1 Thess 1:4
We know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that He has chosen you,

2 Thess 2:13
But we should always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth.

Eph 1:4
For He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and blameless (sanctified of the Holy Spirit aka born-again aka saved) before him in love.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Just curious to find out how different people here understand this verse/phrase. What does it mean that we are Elect according to the foreknowledge of God?

It’s obvious that it means that Election is based on God’s foreknowledge, but there are different views as to what that means.

Discuss, if you please.
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God forekneww all that would happen from begenning to end and vise versa but also remember he gave us free will meaning we have a choice in our actions, the problem I have with predesination is that it makes it seem like God picks favorites and then throws away the rest. All have sinned all have fallen short none of us our righteous but the fact we have free will and have a choice means that he allows us to choose life or death salvation or condemnation otherwise not only is there really no such thing as free will but Jesus didn't die for the worlds sins he died for a select few

We can show all the scriptures to prove predestination but without understanding and knowing Gods nature traits and his way of being then it is pointless. Yes it is important to know and understand the scriptures but we won't truly understand the scriptures without first taking into account who God is yes he is sovereign he is all knowing but above all he is love
 
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Blain said:
God forekneww all that would happen from begenning to end and vise versa but also remember he gave us free will meaning we have a choice in our actions, the problem I have with predesination is that it makes it seem like God picks favorites and then throws away the rest. All have sinned all have fallen short none of us our righteous but the fact we have free will and have a choice means that he allows us to choose life or death salvation or condemnation otherwise not only is there really no such thing as free will but Jesus didn't die for the worlds sins he died for a select few

We can show all the scriptures to prove predestination but without understanding and knowing Gods nature traits and his way of being then it is pointless. Yes it is important to know and understand the scriptures but we won't truly understand the scriptures without first taking into account who God is yes he is sovereign he is all knowing but above all he is love
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That is some useful food for thought Blain. Thank you for your input.
If all of the profound geniuses had a tough time with this topic, I figure it's not going to be any easier for us lol.
 
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John146 said:
Yep, those in Christ have been chosen to receive spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. Salvation is not in the passage.
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The whole chapter and all the way into chapter 2 is about salvation.
 
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Blain said:
God forekneww all that would happen from begenning to end and vise versa but also remember he gave us free will meaning we have a choice in our actions, the problem I have with predesination is that it makes it seem like God picks favorites and then throws away the rest. All have sinned all have fallen short none of us our righteous but the fact we have free will and have a choice means that he allows us to choose life or death salvation or condemnation otherwise not only is there really no such thing as free will but Jesus didn't die for the worlds sins he died for a select few

We can show all the scriptures to prove predestination but without understanding and knowing Gods nature traits and his way of being then it is pointless. Yes it is important to know and understand the scriptures but we won't truly understand the scriptures without first taking into account who God is yes he is sovereign he is all knowing but above all he is love
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Predestination is God’s loving plan for those who love Him. It does not mean God predestined people for Hell. They go to hell by their own choice. God does not force people to reject Christ. They do that of their own volition/love of sin.
 
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John146 said:
Actually it’s context is about the believers future. Paul is writing to those already saved.
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Do you not realize that salvation includes the new birth, justification, and glorification?

We are saved from the wrath of God.

We are saved from the power of sin.

We are saved from the dominion of the devil

We are saved from the curse of the Law.

We are saved from death.

Salvation is a work of God that is completed at the Resurrection.
 
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Do you not realize that salvation includes the new birth, justification, and glorification?

We are saved from the wrath of God.

We are saved from the power of sin.

We are saved from the dominion of the devil

We are saved from the curse of the Law.

We are saved from death.

Salvation is a work of God that is completed at the Resurrection.
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Are you not saved right now? I am. My soul is saved but my body needs to be redeemed. That’s the promise I’ve been given, predestinated for now that I’m in Christ. It’s the future hope of the believer.
 
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Blain said:
God forekneww all that would happen from begenning to end and vise versa but also remember he gave us free will meaning we have a choice in our actions, the problem I have with predesination is that it makes it seem like God picks favorites and then throws away the rest. All have sinned all have fallen short none of us our righteous but the fact we have free will and have a choice means that he allows us to choose life or death salvation or condemnation otherwise not only is there really no such thing as free will but Jesus didn't die for the worlds sins he died for a select few

We can show all the scriptures to prove predestination but without understanding and knowing Gods nature traits and his way of being then it is pointless. Yes it is important to know and understand the scriptures but we won't truly understand the scriptures without first taking into account who God is yes he is sovereign he is all knowing but above all he is love
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There is a view of predestination that does not include God predestining people to hell. I hold that view.

I do not believe in positive/positive predestination, or even double predestination. Now that sounds contradictory to other things I’ve said to some, but only because it’s hard to wrap our heads around God’s ways. We have to accept two seemingly paradoxical truths when they are taught in the Bible, even though we can’t fully understand.

It’s like the Trinity. One God three persons. People find that contradictory. It’s not. It’s just higher than human logic because it’s God.
 
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John146 said:
Are you not saved right now? I am. My soul is saved but my body needs to be redeemed. That’s the promise I’ve been given, predestinated for now that I’m in Christ. It’s the future hope of the believer.
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Yes, I am saved right now by the finished work of atonement. . I am also being saved by the mediation and priestly work of Christ. And my body will experience redemption at the Resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
Romans 5:9-10
Romans 8:23
 
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cv5 said:
Whether Peter is speaking to the diaspora Jews is definitely debatable.
MacArthur believes for technical reasons that he may be in fact speaking to gentile believers.
I think it's probably both groups. But don't take my word for it.

Also see 1Pet 2:2 & 10

Incidentally, an interesting find here.......
1 Pet 2:8
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
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1 Peter 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Once you recognized that Exodus 19:3-6 has the same passage, no one should think Peter was addressing the gentile believers there.
 
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Guojing said:
1 Peter 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Once you recognized that Exodus 19:3-6 has the same passage, no one should think Peter was addressing the gentile believers there.
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Ephesians 2:11-22, Jews and Gentiles made one body. In fact, in John 10, it is called one (sheep) fold
 
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OIC1965 said:
Ephesians 2:11-22, Jews and Gentiles made one body. In fact, in John 10, it is called one (sheep) fold
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True, but that is the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ is not A holy nation. And Paul never addressed us as "priests".

And for that matter, he also never addressed us as "sheep".
 
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OIC1965 said:
Yes, I am saved right now by the finished work of atonement. . I am also being saved by the mediation and priestly work of Christ. And my body will experience redemption at the Resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
Romans 5:9-10
Romans 8:23
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That’s what you have been predestinated to now that you are saved. No one is predestinated to be saved.
 
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throughfaith said:
ok you say //God saw me before the creation of the world. And chose to conform me to the image of his son.//
Which verses say this? ( And your answer may reveal my point about Arminism being a branch of calvinistic thinking)
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eternally-gratefull said:
I Disagree with point 4 And 5

the mere fact mankind is still walking is but by gods grace, the fact mankind is free to chose is by grace, all things are by Gods grace,

the religious view of grace formed in Catholic Church and passed down (prevenient) has no basis, and in my view has roots in paganism

#5 is out and out legalism, and makes salvation by works, it rejects the frame of god and places the onus on the person
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I do not hold to 5.

I hold a modified view of 4. Not the Wesley Arminian view. I believe similar to Calvinism on drawing grace, but believe it can be resisted. I believe that the New Birth happens when the preaching of the Gospel is empowered by the Spirit. You can preach the Gospel till you’re blue in the face, but If the Spirit does not open hearts, no one will be saved.

That’s the way I see it presented in scripture. I won’t get into debate about it though
 
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John146 said:
That’s what you have been predestinated to now that you are saved. No one is predestinated to be saved.
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Correct. God foreknew us and chose us in Christ and predestinated us to all the blessings that accompany salvation.
 
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Guojing said:
True, but that is the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ is not A holy nation. And Paul never addressed us as "priests".

And for that matter, he also never addressed us as "sheep".
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Brother, the spiritual house mentioned in 1 Peter 2:5-6, the immediate context of the verse you’re quoting, of which Jesus is the cornerstone, is made up of Jews and Gentiles.
 
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throughfaith said:
ok you say //God saw me before the creation of the world. And chose to conform me to the image of his son.//
Which verses say this? ( And your answer may reveal my point about Arminism being a branch of calvinistic thinking)
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Ephesians 1:3-14
romans 8:29-30

You can not deny eternal, exhaustive foreknowledge unless you are an open theist. And open theism presents a God that is significantly lesser than the God the Bible presents.
 
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