Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

I did post the scriptue which said before.. You're being unnecessarily nit picking over my from statement which is not false anyway because that book existed at the moment of creation..



Nope.. It is saying what it says It' says

Ephesians 1: KJV
4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

He selected us before the the foundation of the world.. You may not like that for some reason but that's what it says..

Ephesians 1:3-14
romans 8:29-30

You can not deny eternal, exhaustive foreknowledge unless you are an open theist. And open theism presents a God that is significantly lesser than the God the Bible presents.

Correct. God foreknew us and chose us in Christ and predestinated us to all the blessings that accompany salvation.

I am only discussing foreknowledge in my posts on this thread.. I am not talking about law doing or works salvation.. Two different topics..

Ephesians 1: KJV
4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

He selected us before the the foundation of the world.. You may not like that for some reason but that's what it says..

So you think the spiritual temple Peter is talking about of which Jesus is the chief cornerstone is literally in Jerusalem? And does not include any Christians outside of Zion

How is the a spiritual house which Peter’s recipients are, how is it being built in Zion when they’re scattered through Pontus, Asia, Bythinia, etc

No, the stone in Zion is Christ and the spiritual house is His church, which is all who believe, whether Jew or Gentile.

There are not two classes of Christians. The Bible is clear on this

Which is my point about how Calvimism has permeated into most Traditions and denomination s . Most Christians have been indoctrinated by Calvinsm even if its indirectly.

Eph 1 is about all those that are in him . Paul is talking to saved people . It doesn't say " chosen to BE in him " does it ? The ' God knew me and chose me before I existed is gnosctism ( calvinism.

No I'm not a Open theist. They also mess up 'predestination ', 'election ' ' Foreknowlwdge ' .
My position is that i want to start with the bible and not philosophy about the will of man or how God knows things ect . If we just stop where the bible stops we won't go into theories about God .

your hate against calvinism is disturbing, it has again clouded your mind.

calvinism is but on of many So called reformed theologies. There are far more dangerous theologies out there, why the war against calvinism in CC this past year just boggles my mind,

Yep he is

they Became in him according to verse 13 and 14. (By hearing and believing) and all of this was predestined. because It as the will of God that whoever sees and believes will have eternal life, they heard the word, and had faith I. It, and because of that we’re adopted as sons and given the seal of the spirit, not by works, but by grace through faith,

I notice folks end up attacking me personally and yet I'm passionate against false doctrine . As believers we should be able to attack what we see as false doctrines without being personal.

So are you simply saying God has always planned that anyone who believes will be saved ? Is that all your saying ? Your not saying God causes them to believe ?

If I am honest,

to me you, or those you learn from, start at calvinism, then walk backwards to see how you can defeat it, because almost every post you make, every point you make is based on some calvinist perspective.

its like others here who are trying to defeat james from a catholic perspective, instead of reading James for what he really says, they write it off as James only spoke to jews not gentiles. Then claiming they just want to interpret the word not what people say.

yet they are denying thenword, and putting their own spin on it,

I guess what you are saying is that Israel is "spiritual"? That we in the Body of Christ are the spiritual Israel?

Show me one place where I even hinted at any fact that God caused anyone to believe

this is what I mean, you are so angry and out to destroy double predestination you can not even hear what I and others are saying,

Show me one place where I even hinted at any fact that God caused anyone to believe

this is what I mean, you are so angry and out to destroy double predestination you can not even hear what I and others are saying,

No. I’m saying that the spiritual house Peter is talking about in chapter two is both Jews and Gentiles, the church.

In many cases the issue with what is termed double predestination is that those who take issue believe it necessarily implies God leads the non-elect, the reprobate dead in their sins, to sin. When it must be a converse association of God's foreknowledge and will as first pertains to the elect among us who are predestined for his grace and salvific response.
Some do believe that because of what is penned in the works of Isaiah 45.
However, predestination of the elect must necessarily be viewed as having a converse, or parallel, to itself if one first accepts divine election or predestination as a matter of fact in their faith.

God does not have to be seen as one who leads the reprobate, sinner, to commit sin. Rather, one is able to realize if God predestines whom he will save, it is God who has selected that one meant to enter his grace. While God does not actively work to cause the sinner to sin further, what is communicated in the belief of predestined salvation is that God, having predetermined one to be saved, has conversely predetermined whom shall not be. And thus those ones are left to their fallen human nature to suffer the consequence that awaits according to God's plan.

Thus in my lay observation, therein is the basic formulary of the so called Reformed doctrine. That I might add is substantiated by far more learned than myself in different confessions of faith within the Reformed paradox and over hundreds of years.


I am not arrogant enough to state anything that would then have to pertain to every Christian on the planet. That is why I never once said we are elected because of our own worthiness.
Why would that come then to your mind?

Or we are trying to state what the bible actually says as opposed to what Calvinism / Arminism teaches . There is no way around this issue without highlighting the difference . If I'm talking to Catholics, Jws , Mormons ect we have to mention what they believe also .