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OIC1965 said:
So we call God papa before we’re children?
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Were going round in circles. Certain groups ( no names mentioned) have a western ' me ' centered theology. Just like buzz words such as ' chosen ' elect ' ordained ' , called ' are ' triggers ' in the minds of some. The word ' adoption ' is also used unbiblically , in the sense in which we use the term adoption . Adoption in the biblical usage is what sons recieve later . Not like in America when we adopt a child and he is now ' family ' . This is the error your making.
Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)
 
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Using the scriptures what ' call ' do you mean ? How does that work ?
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contextually? The call to justification leading to future glorification.
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Calling and justification comes after salvation. They come after one calls upon the name of the Lord to be saved. Pretty simple.
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are you putting calling to service BEFORE justification?

Foreknew, predestined, called, justified, glorified is the proper order
 
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throughfaith said:
Were going round in circles. Certain groups ( no names mentioned) have a western ' me ' centered theology. Just like buzz words such as ' chosen ' elect ' ordained ' , called ' are ' triggers ' in the minds of some. The word ' adoption ' is also used unbiblically , in the sense in which we use the term adoption . Adoption in the biblical usage is what sons recieve later . Not like in America when we adopt a child and he is now ' family ' . This is the error your making.
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All the words you called “western” are in the Bible.
 
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Using the scriptures what ' call ' do you mean ? How does that work ?
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The call to justification and eventual glorification. Romans 10:30. How do you have calling to service before justification and foreknowledge and. predestination?
 
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OIC1965 said:
contextually? The call to justification leading to future glorification.


are you putting calling to service BEFORE justification and BEFORE being known by God?!!
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Using the scriptures what ' call ' do you mean ? How does that work ? that was my question ? What's the ' call ' or ' calling ' what is it in your view ? how does it work ? could you explain please.
 
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throughfaith said:
Using the scriptures what ' call ' do you mean ? How does that work ? that was my question ? What's the ' call ' or ' calling ' what is it in your view ? how does it work ? could you explain please.
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Call to justification and eventual glorification through the Gospel. The Spirit and the bride say come.
 
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All the words you called “western” are in the Bible.
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Ok you missed my point . Those words have meaning. My point is that certain groups place western ' me ' centered philosophy into those words.
 
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OIC1965 said:
contextually? The call to justification leading to future glorification.


are you putting calling to service BEFORE justification?

Foreknew, predestined, called, justified, glorified is the proper order
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1. A man hears the gospel of Jesus Christ.
2. The man believes the gospel of Jesus Christ and is saved (becomes washed) and is placed in Christ.
3. God now knows the man as a son.
4. God predestines the man unto the future adoption, calls and justifies him (simultaneously).
 
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Call to justification and eventual glorification through the Gospel. The Spirit and the bride say come.
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So for instance, Calvinism teaches that there is a inward ,effectual, irresistible ' call!!! call !! call !call . That the Holy Spirit draws the person irresistibly ( even though no verse ever says the Holy Spirit draws anyone. Is this your position ? is this how you read romans 8 ?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Call to justification and eventual glorification through the Gospel. The Spirit and the bride say come.
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Called to be saints. Romans 1:7, 1 Corinthians 1:2,

Called into Gods kingdom and glory 1 Thess 2:12

Called to eternal life. 1 Timothy 6:12

Called into Light. 1 Peter 2:9.

Etc
 
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So for instance, Calvinism teaches that there is a inward ,effectual, irresistible ' call!!! call !! call !call . That the Holy Spirit draws the person irresistibly ( even though no verse ever says the Holy Spirit draws anyone. Is this your position ? is this how you read romans 8 ?
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ok. I’m not a Calvinist though.
 
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1. A man hears the gospel of Jesus Christ. (Called)
2. The man believes the gospel of Jesus Christ and is saved (becomes washed) and is placed in Christ. (justified)
3. God now knows the man as a son. (Adoption)
4. God predestines the man unto the future adoption, calls and justifies him (simultaneously). (Call again predestination and justification).
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You have a lot of steps that have to happen before a man can be justified.
 
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But would you agree with their definition? if not which definition?
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People are saved through the preaching of the Gospel. The Spirit and bride say “come” and whosoever will, let him come.

That is the calling Paul means in Romans 8:30.
 
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OIC1965 said:
You have a lot of steps that have to happen before a man can be justified.
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How and when is a man justified?

According to scripture, a man is justified when he believes.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
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There is no doubt Peter is addressing a Jewish audience. I think the evidence is overwhelming. However in practical terms this was to be read in Churches and the Churches had a gentile component. Are you Jewish am I Jewish? No. And this letter is read in gentile Churches everywhere today, just as it was in the early Church.

Ultimately 1 Peter is for all people in all Churches.
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So, by 1 Peter 4:17-18, we in the Body of Christ are "scarcely be saved"? We cannot be sure of our salvation now?

We should expect judgment to come to us in the coming future?
 
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OIC1965 said:
People are saved through the preaching of the Gospel. The Spirit and bride say “come” and whosoever will, let him come.

That is the calling Paul means in Romans 8:30.
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So just the Gospel call first to the jews then to the gentiles ?
 
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John146 said:
How and when is a man justified?

According to scripture, a man is justified when he believes.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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God calls through the Gospel

Man believes

Justification.

But you have man called to service before he’s justified. That don’t preach, in my opinion
 
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