Quebec Province in Canada declaring Red Zone for some cities....this is gonna be ugly

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StrugglingTilMyReward

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I lived in Quebec, and a significant number of Quebecers will not tolerate this degree of government overreach for a virus that hasn't proven to be anything close to the danger it was presented as......

English Canadians by and large are very respectful of authority and are very willing to hand over their liberties if they think it will keep them safe. French Quebecers are a different bunch, after living under the tyranny of the Roman Church for hundreds of years the finally started asserting themselves in the 1950s during a period referred to as 'The Quiet Revolution'. Now Quebec has the lowest level of church attendance of any province in Canada, after being first for ever.

I pray it doesn't turn violent, but I'm hearing rumblings from my French friends and acquaintances.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/public-health-restrictions-quebec-covid-19-1.5745046

These new powers are just a hair away from being total Martial Law......
 
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as an ex Quebecer, I can vouch for the fact they do not take things sitting down

could get ugly as you say. I haven't kept up with the politics there though

things have gotten ugly many times in that province. it's too bad cause it used to be a great place to live
 
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StrugglingTilMyReward said:
I lived in Quebec, and a significant number of Quebecers will not tolerate this degree of government overreach for a virus that hasn't proven to be anything close to the danger it was presented as......

English Canadians by and large are very respectful of authority and are very willing to hand over their liberties if they think it will keep them safe. French Quebecers are a different bunch, after living under the tyranny of the Roman Church for hundreds of years the finally started asserting themselves in the 1950s during a period referred to as 'The Quiet Revolution'. Now Quebec has the lowest level of church attendance of any province in Canada, after being first for ever.

I pray it doesn't turn violent, but I'm hearing rumblings from my French friends and acquaintances.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/public-health-restrictions-quebec-covid-19-1.5745046

These new powers are just a hair away from being total Martial Law......
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Anything fueled by QAnon is not likely a good thing.
 
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StrugglingTilMyReward said:
I lived in Quebec, and a significant number of Quebecers will not tolerate this degree of government overreach for a virus that hasn't proven to be anything close to the danger it was presented as......

English Canadians by and large are very respectful of authority and are very willing to hand over their liberties if they think it will keep them safe. French Quebecers are a different bunch, after living under the tyranny of the Roman Church for hundreds of years the finally started asserting themselves in the 1950s during a period referred to as 'The Quiet Revolution'. Now Quebec has the lowest level of church attendance of any province in Canada, after being first for ever.

I pray it doesn't turn violent, but I'm hearing rumblings from my French friends and acquaintances.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/public-health-restrictions-quebec-covid-19-1.5745046

These new powers are just a hair away from being total Martial Law......
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Reads like it is there now without the declaration being on paper.
Parts of Canada have been losing freedoms regularly and for years now. This latest is a new outrage. What's more dangerous? A totalitarian government or a flu virus exploited to get there?

Where's their mask? ;)
 
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EleventhHour said:
Anything fueled by QAnon is not likely a good thing.
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Hello sister, what does the USA's QAnon conspiracy theory have to do with the complaint of lockdowns by Quebec's French citizens? Is there evidence tying the two of them together somehow :unsure:

Thanks!

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Hello sister, what does the USA's QAnon conspiracy theory have to do with the complaint of lockdowns by Quebec's French citizens? Is there evidence tying the two of them together somehow :unsure:

Thanks!

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Yes some were wearing the mask and were carrying posters with his ideas.

Apparently there is a commentator who has popularized him in Quebec.

My son lives in Montreal.
 
StrugglingTilMyReward

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Yes some were wearing the mask and were carrying posters with his ideas.

Apparently there is a commentator who has popularized him in Quebec.

My son lives in Montreal.
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By that logic Biden is a neo-nazi because he was endorsed by one.....many people oppose lockdown measures, some are nutbars, some are university grads, some are professionals, some are blue collar.

Come on now....
 
StrugglingTilMyReward

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EleventhHour said:
Anything fueled by QAnon is not likely a good thing.
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I have friends in Quebec who are not part of QAnon, unless they're now accepting Muslims.....have we really gotten to the point where guilt by association is justification for painting everyone with the same brush. If one nazi comes into my church, is the church I attend now a white supremacist denomination?

There are lots of people who will oppose draconian lockdown measures as a means to stop the spread of a virus with better than a 99% recovery rate....
 
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StrugglingTilMyReward said:
I have friends in Quebec who are not part of QAnon, unless they're now accepting Muslims.....have we really gotten to the point where guilt by association is justification for painting everyone with the same brush. If one nazi comes into my church, is the church I attend now a white supremacist denomination?

There are lots of people who will oppose draconian lockdown measures as a means to stop the spread of a virus with better than a 99% recovery rate....
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I stated some.

If a protest is going to involve either right wing or left wing extremists ....... a smart person will not show up.

If a nazi comes to your church and he should be given the Gospel, if he refuses he should be shown the door.
 
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StrugglingTilMyReward said:
I have friends in Quebec who are not part of QAnon, unless they're now accepting Muslims.....have we really gotten to the point where guilt by association is justification for painting everyone with the same brush. If one nazi comes into my church, is the church I attend now a white supremacist denomination?

There are lots of people who will oppose draconian lockdown measures as a means to stop the spread of a virus with better than a 99% recovery rate....
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The recovery rate is not a stable number by the way, nor is the case fatality rate, nor is the R-naught, nor is the rate of dispersion.
So 99% in and of itself does not really have a lot of meaning.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Yes some were wearing the mask and were carrying posters with his ideas.

Apparently there is a commentator who has popularized him in Quebec.

My son lives in Montreal.
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I think the issue is, is there evidence QAnon had anything directly to do with this lock down law in Quebec?
 
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StrugglingTilMyReward said:
. If one nazi comes into my church, is the church I attend now a white supremacist denomination?
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No. That only could happen if that Nazi entered a church President Trump was attending at the same time. Then the church would be identified as a white supremacist denomination by the attending media who caught it all on tape.
 
StrugglingTilMyReward

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EleventhHour said:
The recovery rate is not a stable number by the way, nor is the case fatality rate, nor is the R-naught, nor is the rate of dispersion.
So 99% in and of itself does not really have a lot of meaning.
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That is a fair comment....here in Canada, Ontario Public Health published and Enhanced Epidemiological Summary complete with Infection Fatality Rates broken down by age. Obviously for older people the IFR is higher, close to 8% for those 80+....for those aged 0-9 they peg it at 0.002....but that was from June I believe and I've heard the numbers have been updated and are even lower now.

But that's Ontario broadly speaking.....the IFR in a LTC is obviously going to be higher. I don't worry about Case Fatality rates myself, because in countries like Taiwan where they haven't even tested 1% of the population they're missing a large number of cases....someone dies of a heart attack and it's a heart attack death because there's no covid test, here that person is extremely likely to be tested so it'll count toward the Covid numbers.
 
StrugglingTilMyReward

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I stated some.

If a protest is going to involve either right wing or left wing extremists ....... a smart person will not show up.

If a nazi comes to your church and he should be given the Gospel, if he refuses he should be shown the door.
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My mother was a peacnik, an old hippie.....back, mid to late 80's I believe, there was a protest in Toronto against cruise missile testing. I went with her and the group behind us (United Chruch) was a bunch of punks, the red doc martins, mowhawks and all that stuf....several signs proclaiming "F>>> WAR"!!! When the Toronto Sun article came out the next day who do you think all the pictures were of.....yep, the punks.

To me what you're saying is that extremists should be allowed to hijack a debate, just by showing up....I believe that is wrong.
 
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