Questions about Solomon's relationship with God

no ones ever been different that Solomon look at his father David . He was Gods chosen king of Israel served God well with all his heart according to scripture but then he began to look at bathsjeba with lust , then he followed that to adultery , then he plotted and had Uriah her husband killed

in the book of Romans paul explains the human condition tells us why it is we can have a firm love for God and his law , but yet still we are conflicted by another law within us that is inherently opposed to that other law of God in man .

Solomon was like David , all were like Adams fallen nature, good present because of God , and evil present because of deception this is the condition of man And how Solomon could serve the lord and then turn

“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:18-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man is incapable of righteousness that’s why we have to be healed by the lord and made right as we were before the knowledge of good and evil became part of our internal man

What is most noted by the account of Solomon's life is that God called him "Jedediah" (God loves you) at his birth. God is faithful even when His children are not. God has many "prodigal" sons out in the world. God wanted Solomon to build His temple.....just Solomon.

At the end of his life, he penned these words in Ecclesiastes 2:11:
“When I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.”

If you read Ecclesiates you will see that Solomon was committed to God after all. The prodigal returned and for his Father it was as if he'd never left......God does not abandoned his children, they have been adopted as sons and none are UN-adopted.

no ones ever been different that Solomon look at his father David . He was Gods chosen king of Israel served God well with all his heart according to scripture but then he began to look at bathsjeba with lust , then he followed that to adultery , then he plotted and had Uriah her husband killed

in the book of Romans paul explains the human condition tells us why it is we can have a firm love for God and his law , but yet still we are conflicted by another law within us that is inherently opposed to that other law of God in man .

Solomon was like David , all were like Adams fallen nature, good present because of God , and evil present because of deception this is the condition of man And how Solomon could serve the lord and then turn

“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:18-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man is incapable of righteousness that’s why we have to be healed by the lord and made right as we were before the knowledge of good and evil became part of our internal man

What is most noted by the account of Solomon's life is that God called him "Jedediah" (God loves you) at his birth. God is faithful even when His children are not. God has many "prodigal" sons out in the world. God wanted Solomon to build His temple.....just Solomon.

At the end of his life, he penned these words in Ecclesiastes 2:11:
“When I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.”

If you read Ecclesiates you will see that Solomon was committed to God after all. The prodigal returned and for his Father it was as if he'd never left......God does not abandoned his children, they have been adopted as sons and none are UN-adopted.[/QUOTE
I'm glad if Solomon came to full repentance to God, as you said! But there are have been others who did not in the scriptures. And the New Testament warns believers against falling away - so I see it as still possible for believers to fall away. Unless they put Christ first in their lives - are careful, and pray daily for God's help and guidance in life. There is no more danger of falling away after a believer has fully surrendered to God - and has been tested and found to be faithful through time (referring to the testings spoken of in the Sower parable).

I hadn't realized at first, that Solomon may have come to repentance - as someone pointed out to me here.


Yes, no Christian is capable of being righteous enough to satisfy God - without having to rely on Jesus' sacrifice for sins - in order for his sins to be forgiven. Since we all sin in daily life, though unintentionally if in a right heart and right relationship with God. We are counted "righteous' when we sincerely repent - and repentance is a daily necessity.

However, some willfully turn away from God, and never return to God. I know Christians differ on this subject. But that's what I see in the scriptures, in my studies on the subject. I see evidence of it in both the Old and the New Testaments. But this is no longer a danger when a person becomes fully surrendered to God, because He has made up his mind unwaveringly - that he plans to do this. And knows the importance of daily prayer for God's help and guidance.

Myrtle trees: Did you ever hear of an adopted child ever being UNADOPTED because they were naughty?

Once saved, always saved. The blood of Christ is not washed AWAY. The forgiveness sins were for all sin forever. After we are born again, God does not look on us as we are in our fleshly lives but He looks at us THROUGH the blood of Christ which covers every child adopted into God's great family. It is the blood that God accepts as penalty for our sin, not our works.

Your reference to the parable of the Sower and the Seed: The gospel is sown to everyone, sometimes it falls on unprepared hearts and eventually the person falls away (either through leaving the whole idea of Christianity or just falling into apostasy) but for the hearts that have been prepared (quickened by the Spirit) the gospel is not only the good news but is the entry to the narrow gate where God's truth waits.

By the way, your post to me looks like an extension of MY post. I want it noted that I did not post what you quoted since we are not in agreement on atonement.

Myrtle trees: Did you ever hear of an adopted child ever being UNADOPTED because they were naughty?

Once saved, always saved. The blood of Christ is not washed AWAY. The forgiveness sins were for all sin forever. After we are born again, God does not look on us as we are in our fleshly lives but He looks at us THROUGH the blood of Christ which covers every child adopted into God's great family. It is the blood that God accepts as penalty for our sin, not our works.

Your reference to the parable of the Sower and the Seed: The gospel is sown to everyone, sometimes it falls on unprepared hearts and eventually the person falls away (either through leaving the whole idea of Christianity or just falling into apostasy) but for the hearts that have been prepared (quickened by the Spirit) the gospel is not only the good news but is the entry to the narrow gate where God's truth waits.

By the way, your post to me looks like an extension of MY post. I want it noted that I did not post what you quoted since we are not in agreement on atonement.

Myrtle Tree: God has used human relationships to amplify spiritual relationships for our edification. The parables of Jesus are about spiritual things that we understand by the humanity exampled in them. The bible isn't just for scholars. it is for all God's people no matter what their education. By using the familiar to our lives He brings 'word pictures' of spiritual things and He used those pictures of merchants, farmers, fishermen, et all to make His lessons understandable.

I can't imagine not believing that my salvation is secure. It is secure not because I did anything, it is secure because I am now covered with the blood of Christ which covers all sin. He paid the sin debt for His people.

Myrtle Tree: God has used human relationships to amplify spiritual relationships for our edification. The parables of Jesus are about spiritual things that we understand by the humanity exampled in them. The bible isn't just for scholars. it is for all God's people no matter what their education. By using the familiar to our lives He brings 'word pictures' of spiritual things and He used those pictures of merchants, farmers, fishermen, et all to make His lessons understandable.

I can't imagine not believing that my salvation is secure. It is secure not because I did anything, it is secure because I am now covered with the blood of Christ which covers all sin. He paid the sin debt for His people.

Sorry if it looked like my post looked like it was part of yours. I'll look at it tomorrow and try to change that. Yes, we don't agree quite the same on this subject, and it's common for Christians to sincerely not agree on this subject. Well, the thing to do then is to just pray that God helps the other to come to a better understanding of this subject. I've had to do a lot of that. And the Bible says it is good for Christians to pray for one another. We may not all understand what may be in error in another or exactly why - but we can know that it is always God's will to pray for God to help other Christians to understand Bible subjects as correctly as is possible. We should pray that for ourselves and also for others we meet up who also serve God - are children of God as we are.

Myrtle Tree: God has used human relationships to amplify spiritual relationships for our edification. The parables of Jesus are about spiritual things that we understand by the humanity exampled in them. The bible isn't just for scholars. it is for all God's people no matter what their education. By using the familiar to our lives He brings 'word pictures' of spiritual things and He used those pictures of merchants, farmers, fishermen, et all to make His lessons understandable.

I can't imagine not believing that my salvation is secure. It is secure not because I did anything, it is secure because I am now covered with the blood of Christ which covers all sin. He paid the sin debt for His people.

Myrtle trees: Did you ever hear of an adopted child ever being UNADOPTED because they were naughty?

Once saved, always saved. The blood of Christ is not washed AWAY. The forgiveness sins were for all sin forever. After we are born again, God does not look on us as we are in our fleshly lives but He looks at us THROUGH the blood of Christ which covers every child adopted into God's great family. It is the blood that God accepts as penalty for our sin, not our works.

Your reference to the parable of the Sower and the Seed: The gospel is sown to everyone, sometimes it falls on unprepared hearts and eventually the person falls away (either through leaving the whole idea of Christianity or just falling into apostasy) but for the hearts that have been prepared (quickened by the Spirit) the gospel is not only the good news but is the entry to the narrow gate where God's truth waits.

By the way, your post to me looks like an extension of MY post. I want it noted that I did not post what you quoted since we are not in agreement on atonement.

shouldnt salvation be the way Jesus said it is ? Rather than a persons argument though ?

“And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s not different from what Paul says

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To serve the flesh is to serve the will and actions of sin

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

...And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21, 24‬ ‭

we can’t serve sin and be the spiritual children of God at the same time. When we begin hearing about repentance we should accept and believe so it gets into our hearts and minds to combat sins voice saying it doesn’t matter we should think these ways and let scripture form our understanding

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s about letting in the things Gods spirit is saying in scripture and forming our faith around it letting it correct our flawed views of God. Yielding as we did before Christ to sin freely , now we need to change that idea in us and begin to let Gods word form our opinion and thoughts

It looks like I agree with you on all points here! Yes, I think the scriptures seem clear in that anyone wanting to become a follower of Christ - needs to be willing to yield themselves to the lordship of Christ - be willing to accept Him as Lord (God) and master of their life - first. This holds true even after they are converted to Christ and throughout their lives. There is no time in which they can afford to be careless and lazy about submission to Christ in daily life. If they allow themselves to become careless like that - yes - there is the danger of falling away. Not a helpless falling away, at all! It's a choice! We all have to make the conscious choice each day, to either serve Christ or to serve the devil. This is not attempting to save ourselves through our own strength or merit, as some Christians accusingly say to those who emphasize the need for holy living in daily life. Though it is impossible to become "righteous' (in His sight) - without first responding affirmatively to His call to a righteous life - and salvation through Jesus.

The walk with God is not just an automatic process - it requires much diligence and effort on our parts too! Though of course, it can't go on at all without with Help in daily life. It is dangerous in some cases to think it is just an automatic process - as it is tempting for some (not all - I know, as some who believe this way are good, strong Christians) - who believe that way to sit back and take it easy - and assume all they need to do is wait for God to do things in their life.

2 Peter 3:14

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
KJV

Phil 2:12

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
KJV

Ps 111:10

10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever
KJV