Looking for the Ephraimites, scattered among the Gentiles, since their Assyrian captivity of 740BC

No I am a reader of God's word, as revealed to by the Spirit of God, under the Kingship of Christ Yeshua.

God's word, and God's word only, the quoted scriptures stated in my posts, projects the extents of my beliefs.

I arrived at my conclusions that God has scattered Ephraim to the ends of the earth, and will also regather Ephraim from the ends of the earth, solely from years of individual bible study, and reading God's word by opening it at random places through prayer, as led by the Spirit of God.

AFTER I came to this conclusion independently, through personal bible study, that God has scattered Israel, and will regather Israel as well, I have encountered that, several groups of other people, came to that same conclusion, as God's word is clear on this.

The closest LDS Church, from where I live and grew up, are about 200+ km, what I know of. I am completely foreign to, and not interested in the writings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, those of the book of Mormon, as translated by Joseph Smith, and have never read or heard a single word from it. I think you might know more about Mormons than I do? But then again, I am now transgressing, from the topic of this thread.

God has scattered Ephraim to the ends of the earth, and will also regather Ephraim again one day.


John 11 (ESV)

47 So the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the council and said, "What are we to do? For this man performs many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation." 49 But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all. 50 Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish." 51 He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad. 53 So from that day on they made plans to put him to death. 54 Jesus therefore no longer walked openly among the Jews, but went from there to the region near the wilderness, to a town called Ephraim, and there he stayed with the disciples.


Ezekiel 36 (ESV)

17 "Son of man, when the house of Israel lived in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds. Their ways before me were like the uncleanness of a woman in her menstrual impurity. 18 So I poured out my wrath upon them for the blood that they had shed in the land, for the idols with which they had defiled it. 19 I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed through the countries. In accordance with their ways and their deeds I judged them. 20 But when they came to the nations, wherever they came, they profaned my holy name, in that people said of them, 'These are the people of the Lord, and yet they had to go out of his land.' 21 But I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they came. 22 "Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Lord God, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes. 24 I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. 28 You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.

God brought punishment about for the Ephraimite-Israelites, with the siege of their capital Samaria in 722BC, which preceded their 2730 years of captivity into the Gentiles:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_captivity : "The captivities began in approximately 740 BCE (or 733/2 BCE according to other sources).[1] In 722 BCE, ten to twenty years after the initial deportations, the ruling city of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, Samaria, was finally taken by Sargon II after a three-year siege started by Shalmaneser V."

Between the years of 1990AC and 2008AC, Ephraimite-Israelites have once again come to know their identity after 2730 years of captivity among the Gentiles ( 2730 years of Ephraimite-Israelite captivity among the Gentiles = 390 years of God's punishment of Ezekiel 4:5 x God's sevenfold punishment of Leviticus 26:18, 21 & 24 due to the Ephraimite-Israelite's non-repentance ).

2730 years - 740BC = Year of 1990 after Christ
2730 years - 733/2BC = Year of 1997/8 after Christ
2730 years - 722BC = Year of 2008 after Christ


Leviticus 26 (ESV)

17 I will set my face against you, and you shall be struck down before your enemies. Those who hate you shall rule over you, and you shall flee when none pursues you. 18 And if in spite of this you will not listen to me, then I will discipline you again sevenfold for your sins, 19 and I will break the pride of your power, and I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. 20 And your strength shall be spent in vain, for your land shall not yield its increase, and the trees of the land shall not yield their fruit. 21 "Then if you walk contrary to me and will not listen to me, I will continue striking you, sevenfold for your sins. 22 And I will let loose the wild beasts against you, which shall bereave you of your children and destroy your livestock and make you few in number, so that your roads shall be deserted. 23 "And if by this discipline you are not turned to me but walk contrary to me, 24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I myself will strike you sevenfold for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall execute vengeance for the covenant. And if you gather within your cities, I will send pestilence among you, and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.


Ezekiel 4 (ESV)

3 And you, take an iron griddle, and place it as an iron wall between you and the city; and set your face toward it, and let it be in a state of siege, and press the siege against it. This is a sign for the house of Israel. 4 "Then lie on your left side, and place the punishment of the house of Israel upon it. For the number of the days that you lie on it, you shall bear their punishment. 5 For I assign to you a number of days, 390 days, equal to the number of the years of their punishment. So long shall you bear the punishment of the house of Israel. 6 And when you have completed these, you shall lie down a second time, but on your right side, and bear the punishment of the house of Judah. Forty days I assign you, a day for each year.


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I reported the facts. What do you make of them? Your answer will interest me.

Why can't you (i) find some scriptures that say Ephraim are now believers, and (ii) find some scriptures that say that Ephraim is the Body of Christ? That would settle it easily. But if you can't find any that plainly say this, don't bother with others. The Bible is clear on this issue.

I'm sorry that I cannot share your view. Galatians 3:26-29 shows how heathen, once they land IN Christ, become eligible for inclusion in the Covenant made with Abraham. "Israel" is never mentioned in this Chapter, and for that matter, in any other Chapter except once in Chapter 6. And to top it all, Galatians 3:28 does not recognize any ethnicity.

Ephraimite-Israelites were in captivity among the Gentiles for the past 2730 years. The following Israelite believers (from the long lost, until recently), among the Ephraimite-Israelite tribes of Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun and Joseph/Ephraim (the tribe of Dan is the only exclusion) are all sealed with the seal of the living God, and protected from the calamities that will come over the earth before the tribulation account is given, where believers among all tribes, tongues and nations will be saved as well, from among all the nations of the Israelites and Gentiles as well:

Those saved among all the Judahite-Israelite and Ephraimite-Israelite (although lost to human history until recently) with the notable exclusion of the tribe of Dan:

Revelation 7 (ESV)

1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, 3 saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads." 4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad, 6 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh, 7 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar, 8 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.

Those saved among every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages:

Revelation 7 (ESV)

9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" 13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, "Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?" 14 I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Nor does Galatians 3:28 recognise your sex as a man or sex as a woman. That however does not change the fact that you are a man in Christ Yeshua, or a woman in Christ Yeshua, or a Gentile in Christ Yeshua, or an Israelite in Christ Yeshua. You do not stop being a man or being a woman, nor do you stop being a Gentile or stop being an Israelite when you become part of the Body of Christ Yeshua when you believe onto him. We who believe in his atonement offering are all one in Christ Yeshua our King.

Galatians 3 (ESV)

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

When we honestly examine the biblical record, it becomes clear that the so-called “lost” tribes of Israel are not really lost at all. Rather, it is their identity as Israel that has been lost. Thus, as we search for the “lost” tribes, we should not look for a Sabbath-keeping people who call themselves Israel. Indeed, as the exiled northern ten tribes wandered from the Middle East, they were known by other names; such as Cimmerians, Scythians, Celts, Saxons, etc. names historians and researchers have not linked to ancient Israel, mostly because it doesn’t fit with their beliefs. They say the Western peoples are Caucasians and either ignore how they got to the Caucasus region, or tout fanciful stories of Neanderthals and fossils.

When Jesus sent the twelve out to preach the Gospel, He said: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter into a city of the Samaritans [Gentiles who displaced the northern tribes]; but go instead to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-6
Jesus and His disciples knew the whereabouts of the “lost” northern tribes—and that they, in fact, were the “house of Israel.” Why do we hear almost nothing of the original apostles after about 60 AD?
After preaching the Gospel to the Jews and being rejected by them, the apostles took the Gospel to the northern tribes where they had become re-established in new lands. During the years immediately preceding the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, we hear nothing of Peter and James? Why? They went, as Christ instructed, to the “lost” tribes of Israel and the Gospel was accepted by them; now the Christianized Western nations. Jesus’ Mission WAS successful!

Prior to the House of Israel going into captivity, the prophet Amos 9:8-9 quoted God as saying: Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are on the sinful kingdom, and I will erase it from the face of the earth [it would disappear as a kingdom]; except that I will not completely destroy the house of Jacob [Israel],’ says the LORD. ‘For lo, I will command, and I will shake the house of Israel among all the nations, as one shakes with a sieve, yet not a grain shall fall to the earth.

That is, the Israelites as a people would not be utterly lost or destroyed. Amos 9:8-9
As a nation, the northern kingdom vanished in captivity and was later “sifted” among numerous countries. But it was not utterly subsumed by them. This truth shows how amazing God’s plan is; His chosen people hidden amongst the nations, who will fulfil the prayer of Solomon: 2 Chronicles 6:36-39
Writing during the Jews’ captivity in Babylon, (135 years after the fall of Samaria) Daniel refers as well to those Israelites who were afar off, scattered throughout many nations, Daniel 9:7, but not lost to God.

After suffering decades of harsh punishment in captivity, significant numbers of Israelites would migrate toward the northwest, re-establishing themselves in various areas. They left 'waymarks', Jeremiah 31:21, dolmens across Europe. Over time they would re-emerge intact, yet largely ignorant of their own true identity!

Contrary to misinformed scholars and those with another agenda, the ancient House of Israel was not “irretrievably lost”—for God has decreed that they would remain His people. In fact, their modern descendants are the majority in several of today’s nations. Moreover, the House of Israel is still to be reunited with the House of Judah in the latter days in the, as yet unfulfilled prophecy of Ezekiel 37:16-22.

Where, I might ask, is the wording that those Revelation 7:1-8 are "BELIEVING"? And if they happen to be BELIEVERS, how then are they Israelites when there is no ETHNICITY in the New Man? You see, AGAIN you cannot support your theory with any scripture. You have CHANGE and/or ADD.

You have the same problem as Nicodemus. You think that the relationships within the New Man are based on the WOMB. But they are not. Even our Lord Jesus denied this fleshly relationship and standing at the end of Matthew Chapter 12. He DENIED His mother and brethren according to the flesh. Again He denies it via the Holy Spirit in 2nd Corinthians 5:16; "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more." And again He denies this in 1st Corinthians 6:17; "But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit."

Ephraimism is based on a FLESHLY CONNECTION. British Israelism is based on a FLESHLY CONNECTION. But over and over again in the New Testament, this fleshly connection is denied for the New Man. And both you and Nicodemus should have read Genesis 2. In that Chapter you have perfect MAN - perfect in his humanity before any sin came in. But he still lacked something. He lacked the effect of eating the fruit of the Tree of Life. This would have brought him into the correct relationship with Jehovah - IN the SPIRIT (Jn.4:24). And any man who is "born of the Spirit" has NO PAST, NO GENDER, NO NAME, NO ETHNICITY for ALL THINGS are made NEW. The word "all" means "all". The spirit of man is his life (Jas.2:26). It has no privilege over the beasts except where it goes at death (Eccl.3:19-21). But the spirit of man which has the Living Eternal God dwelling IN it becomes the Holy of Holies in the Temple which is man.

The flesh has only one end in God's eyes - TO DIE. that's why He blocked the way to the Tree of Life until the Creator - Jesus, took the old flesh from Mary and had it slaughtered. That is why Romans 5:12 is without exception for men who have their ORIGIN IN ADAM. That's why David said in 1st Kings 2:2; "I go the way of ALL the world". Ephraimism is based on the flesh, it is based on "corruptible seed", it is a doctrine found nowhere in the whole Bible, and it will, like all things of the flesh, die its natural death.

But you ignore the plain words of Revelation 7:4-8 and 14:1-5.
They show how the faithful Christian people of God will be assigned to one or other of the twelve tribes. Ezekiel 47 and 48 tell us the Land area allotted to each tribe.

Not until after the Millennium, is 'fleshly' mankind over.

I'm afraid you're ignoring my arguments in that posting you partially quoted. I'll wait until you have dealt with them, and then we can get to those "plain words". Also, I think you should have expanded a bit on "fleshly" mankind being over after the Millennium. Isaiah 66:22-24 points to a post Millennium situation on the New Earth, and it says that the flesh abides even then.

22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

And our Lord Jesus, in resurrection, is "flesh and bones" (Lk.24:39). If He is the "Firsfruits from the dead", He will ever be like this for the fruit cannot change (Gen.1:11-12). Added to this, our BODIES make up the Church (1st Cor.6:15) and the Church is destined to display Christ in the AGES (plural) to come (Eph.2:7).

I know you don't have to, but a short exegesis on these seeming strange doctrines might be best before we get to those "plain words".

"the servants of our God", God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, is BELIEVERS, from "every tribe of the sons of Israel" from Judahites currently among the Jews, and Ephraimites currently among the Gentiles:

Revelation 7 (ESV)

1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, 3 saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads." 4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad, 6 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh, 7 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar, 8 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.


The twelve tribes of Israel the Bride, the Body of Christ Yeshua:

Revelation 21 (ESV)

9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, "Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed— 13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates.


The twelve tribes of Israel, the Bride of Christ, will be a light to the nations:

Revelation 21 (ESV)

24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, 25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. 26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.



Romans 11 (ESV)

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles (reference Genesis 48:19, direct Hebrew translation: - Ephraim's - "his offspring shall become the fullness of the Gentiles/nations") has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."


Genesis 48 (ESV)

17 When Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand on the head of Ephraim, it displeased him, and he took his father's hand to move it from Ephraim's head to Manasseh's head. 18 And Joseph said to his father, "Not this way, my father; since this one is the firstborn, put your right hand on his head." 19 But his father refused and said, "I know, my son, I know. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great. Nevertheless, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his offspring shall become a multitude of nations." (direct Hebrew translation: "his offspring shall become the fullness of the Gentiles/nations") 20 So he blessed them that day, saying, "By you Israel will pronounce blessings, saying, 'God make you as Ephraim and as Manasseh.'" Thus he put Ephraim before Manasseh.


Just as Joseph's banishing into the nations (Egypt) was a blessing to the hunger of the nations, so Ephraim's captivity into the nations, of 2730 years, Ephraim's captivity among the Gentiles / nations, became a blessing of salvation, a light to the nations, as the message of Christ Yeshua permeated all the Gentiles / nations of the world.


Matthew 24 (ESV)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


Matthew 5 (ESV)

14 "You are the light of the world. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Matthew 6 (ESV)

9 Pray then like this: "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. 10 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

Genesis 48 (Young's Literal Translation)

19 And his father refuseth, and saith, `I have known, my son, I have known; he also becometh a people, and he also is great, and yet, his young brother is greater than he, and his seed is the fulness of the nations;'

Genesis 48 (1599 Geneva Bible)

19 But his father refused, and said, I know well, my son, I know well: he shall be also a people, and he shall be great likewise: but his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall be full of nations.

Genesis 48 (KJV)

19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude [Strongs: full fulness] of nations [Strongs: Gentile(/s) ].

Strongs KJV Hebrew numbering:

multitude: H4393: From H4390; fulness (literally or figuratively): - x all along x all that is (there-) in fill (X that whereof ... was) full fulness [hand-] full multitude.

nations: H1471: Apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals or a flight of locusts: - Gentile heathen nation people.



Romans 11 (KJV)

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

All are not saved, God's salvation of grace is limited to those in the Book of the Lamb that was slain. Renewed Israel will be a light to the nations, to those who are saved:

Romans 11 (ESV)

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery (Ephraim among the Gentiles), brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles (Ephraim among the Gentiles) has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

I don't know what you're trying to show with all these scriptures. I only asked you to show me the word "BELIEVER" in Revelation 7:1-8. If you can't, then admit it. If you've called them believers, and scriptre has not said so, you have added to scripture. If scripture says that there are no JEWS in the New Man, you've contradicted scripture. It's that simple ... and sad. You've built a doctrine on nothing. If you want to add to scripture, why not declare the Beast a believer. I know it's not written, but ....

The 144,000 of Revelation Chapter 7 are ISRAELITES, sons of Israel, except Dan, and whose fathers came out of Egypt. The are the REMNANT spoken of in Romans 9 and 11. There is NO TALK EVER that Israelites are believers. They have been CONCLUDED BY GOD as ALL in UNBELIEF, and blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles. The word "fullness" is the same word used in Luke 21:24 in relation to the TIME that the Gentiles are free to trample Jerusalem. That is, Israel are blinded until Armageddon.

Can a "servant of God" be a non-believer? Honestly?? The beast is not a "servant of God", neither me, nor you, nor anyone can call the beast a believer. Be careful of blaspheming. By the way, the redeeming of the 12000 from each of the tribes are marked by the seal of God, not by the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast follows thereafter, during the great tribulation. After the great tribulation Christ Yeshua returns. The millennium kingdom follows, and Gog and Magog follows the millennium kingdom.