Poll: What should Trump do?

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What should Trump do?

  • He should concede. There was no fraud. He's being a baby.

  • He should abide by whatever the courts decide in regards to his voter fraud lawsuits.

  • If his lawsuits fail, he should declare martial law and assume leadership.


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Jul 9, 2020
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#1
I am interested in what Christians here think Trump should do in regards to the present situation. Notice that I didn't ask what you think he WILL do. I want to know what you think he ought to do. Choose the answer that is closest to how you would advise him.

I'll wait a bit before answering so as not to risk tainting the poll outcome.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I am interested in what Christians here think Trump should do in regards to the present situation. Notice that I didn't ask what you think he WILL do. I want to know what you think he ought to do. Choose the answer that is closest to how you would advise him.

I'll wait a bit before answering so as not to risk tainting the poll outcome.
This is a defensive or protective measure for saving America, the American loving citizens, and the ignorant who just do not realize what is at stake.

He should win at all possible. If he knows it is a stolen election and we know the evil that Biden plans to commit then there must be the nuclear option. We are already hearing about his plans for abortion, trans rights, his stance on China, his tax hikes, trillions of dollar plans to cripple the economy, religious freedom attacks, 2nd Amendment rights, socialism.

We do not come back from that. Especially if we let this election go without exposing the fraud and errors. We will no longer have a free democracy. We will no longer have a republic. Especially if they pack the courts, gain House and Senate control, and the White House. Full power would be the end of America.

I believe God will work this out without the nuclear option but our Declaration of Independence gives us the advice for this situation.

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly, all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Our future, our children, our grandchildren, the world, and generations to come all depend on what we do in this very moment of history.

This is nothing to come to by accident, by ignorance, or light-heartedly. But I see the design of good government as God described in Romans 13 being converted to complete evil and no longer a source to reward the good while bringing justice to the wrongdoer. Instead, we have the opposite in God's eyes it is the good who is beginning to be oppressed and trodden on. While the bad riot and cheer in the streets.

In Ecclesiastes, there is a time for everything and it is often the moments of time that choose us and gives us a choice. Just as our ancestors did not choose to bombed at Pearl Harbor and were consumed by WW2. They were left with 2 choices to fight or to submit to the Nazi and Japanese regimes.


Ecclesiastes 3
New International Version

A Time for Everything
3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:
2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
 

PennEd

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I support him never conceding. You cannot have a representative democratically elected republic, if your vote doesn’t matter because others commit voter fraud.

Which is beyond manifest here.

The disruptions of not conceding will be massive. But they are still preferable to tyranny.
 
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Johnjo

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#4
Already four people ready for Trump to declare martial law?

The founding fathers must be turning in their graves.
 
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Johnjo

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#5
I support him never conceding. You cannot have a representative democratically elected republic, if your vote doesn’t matter because others commit voter fraud.

Which is beyond manifest here.

The disruptions of not conceding will be massive. But they are still preferable to tyranny.
Only his tyranny is a better tyranny, right?
 

Roughsoul1991

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Already four people ready for Trump to declare martial law?

The founding fathers must be turning in their graves.
Which one? Abraham Lincoln?

In the American Civil War of 1861, President of the United States Abraham Lincoln took two steps intended to maintain order and public safety in the now-divided country. In his capacity as commander in chief, Lincoln declared martial law in all states and ordered the suspension of the constitutionally protected right to writs of habeas corpus in the state of Maryland and parts of the Midwestern states.

Sometimes to defeat an evil within you must take action against it. We defeated slavery then.

Now we face abortion on demand, treason with enemy countries, the restriction on the 1st Amendment, abolishment of the 2nd, then all of the 1st, and the implementation of socialism.

We thought slavery was bad but killing unborn children is on a higher level of sick. They need defending.
 
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Scribe

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Already four people ready for Trump to declare martial law?

The founding fathers must be turning in their graves.
They have to be joking. No one is that stupid.
 
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lenna

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#10
you do not find the republicans online threatening democrats, but there are myriad videos of apparently immoral democrats threatening republicans, including death and ruining their lives

people need to wake up. even Obama spoke up about the 'woke' people going to far

there is only one thing worse than not getting what you want

and that is getting what you want

for those of us who do not want this insanity, I believe God will protect us through this insanity because I think we know it is going to be bad either way

I voted Trump should abide by what the courts decide. I could be wrong, but I think that is what he will do. the fight is not over though. there is a battle that we cannot see with our eyes and it is not just this country that is involved

God gave people what they wanted. that is a principal I cannot ignore
 
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Scribe

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#12
Abraham Lincoln had to in order to defeat slavery.

To defeat evil within, it may take hard actions to defeat it.
This is America. You get to pick again every four years. Whoever wins, half the country is angry and calling them the devil, until another one is voted in and then half the country spends the next 4 years spewing out hate on that one, and back and forth, every four years. Usually they are not able to get half of their goals accomplished because they are blocked by the other side who hate them, and what they are able to change by directives they have reversed by the other side when the next guy is voted in and back and forth over time until it all balances out. 20 years from now your 401Ks will still be making money, and everything will be the same and all this spewing of hatred and fomenting for a revolution will look silly in hindsight.

Can't we just all get along? :cool:
 
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lenna

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We do not come back from that. Especially if we let this election go without exposing the fraud and errors. We will no longer have a free democracy. We will no longer have a republic. Especially if they pack the courts, gain House and Senate control, and the White House. Full power would be the end of America.
even if Biden sits in the chair of the office of President, it will not go as is being planned.
 
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Scribe

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#14
you do not find the republicans online threatening democrats, but there are myriad videos of apparently immoral democrats threatening republicans, including death and ruining their lives

people need to wake up. even Obama spoke up about the 'woke' people going to far

there is only one thing worse than not getting what you want

and that is getting what you want

for those of us who do not want this insanity, I believe God will protect us through this insanity because I think we know it is going to be bad either way

I voted Trump should abide by what the courts decide. I could be wrong, but I think that is what he will do. the fight is not over though. there is a battle that we cannot see with our eyes and it is not just this country that is involved

God gave people what they wanted. that is a principal I cannot ignore
I can't believe that Christians support democrats. stupid? no..deceived
It's America. Everyone gets a vote. The mature ones live with the consequences. They get another vote every 4 years. It is not a salvation issue. Those that make it a religious salvation issue are deceived. Fanatics. Zealots.
 

Roughsoul1991

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even if Biden sits in the chair of the office of President, it will not go as is being planned.
I agree because it can not. I do not claim to know or what should happen. I just know if nothing happens then our children will grow up in a completely different America if we even get to see them grow up. Some are already talking about post WW2 re-education camps or putting conservatives on a blacklist. Is it just talk? Maybe but with enough power who knows what the new socialist party would do.
 
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lenna

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This is America. You get to pick again every four years. Whoever wins, half the country is angry and calling them the devil, until another one is voted in and then half the country spends the next 4 years spewing out hate on that one, and back and forth, every four years. Usually they are not able to get half of their goals accomplished because they are blocked by the other side who hate them, and what they are able to change by directives they have reversed by the other side when the next guy is voted in and back and forth over time until it all balances out. 20 years from now your 401Ks will still be making money, and everything will be the same and all this spewing of hatred and fomenting for a revolution will look silly in hindsight.

Can't we just all get along? :cool:

ask the aborted babies what they think of 'getting along'

ask the murderous gangs that illegally came over the border how they intend to 'get along'

those are just 2 questions out of a possibility of several hundred

if you can get along with the left's platform, I really find you without any credibility, not that you care

I'm not defending this response should you want to discuss it. there is really nothing to discuss. but I understand more and more why churches are failing in prayer and failing to see righteousness upheld
 

Roughsoul1991

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It's America. Everyone gets a vote. The mature ones live with the consequences. They get another vote every 4 years. It is not a salvation issue. Those that make it a religious salvation issue are deceived. Fanatics. Zealots.
So our Bibles say nothing about political issues?
 
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lenna

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It's America. Everyone gets a vote. The mature ones live with the consequences. They get another vote every 4 years. It is not a salvation issue. Those that make it a religious salvation issue are deceived. Fanatics. Zealots.
you have no insight it would seem

mature people know what is really going on here and I don't mean election fraud

for some it will be a salvation issue
 
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Scribe

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#19
you do not find the republicans online threatening democrats, but there are myriad videos of apparently immoral democrats threatening republicans, including death and ruining their lives

people need to wake up. even Obama spoke up about the 'woke' people going to far

there is only one thing worse than not getting what you want

and that is getting what you want

for those of us who do not want this insanity, I believe God will protect us through this insanity because I think we know it is going to be bad either way

I voted Trump should abide by what the courts decide. I could be wrong, but I think that is what he will do. the fight is not over though. there is a battle that we cannot see with our eyes and it is not just this country that is involved

God gave people what they wanted. that is a principal I cannot ignore
I heard your prediction. Here is mine. It will calm down after a few months and everyone will live a normal life and things will be as they always are. Some things will be presented in congress and defeated and some things will pass. The things that pass will not effect most people and no ones daily life will change one bit. But there will be a lot of complaining. Because that comes natural and we have to train ourselves to have a different character.
 
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lenna

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I agree because it can not. I do not claim to know or what should happen. I just know if nothing happens then our children will grow up in a completely different America if we even get to see them grow up. Some are already talking about post WW2 re-education camps or putting conservatives on a blacklist. Is it just talk? Maybe but with enough power who knows what the new socialist party would do.
I don't discuss those things...and in no way am I saying no one should, but I will vomit up tomorrow's breakfast if I keep focusing on this backwash from hell's sewage system

I do not believe they will have the 'power' to make the right disappear. the devil always tries to get ahead of God. have you noticed that? always tries to thwart God's plans...and I don't mean this election. this is what is going on. the left is infighting and threatening Biden that he had better go ahead and start implementing the Marxist plans. I don't remember Biden doing that in anything he said, but Harris is far left and Biden is not going to last 4 years...maybe not 4 months. I guess we'll see