How many beleive we are in the Tribulation period now and why

Lol, You don’t get it

i said twice that it was 69 weeks

then you ask me if I thought it was 69 weeks (showing maybe you can t read?

it is actually insulting to you, it’s sad you can’t read.

No I do not, never have never will

if you had been paying attention since I met you you would know this

Really?

yawn

Here is the scripture:

"He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ h In the middle of the ‘seven’ i he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple j he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

Three times in the scripture above the "He" is referred to. There is no mention in Daniel 9:27 of who the "He" is referring to. In order to find out who "He" is, we need to go back to the previous verse which is v.26:

"The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed."

So, in keeping with grammatical rule, "the ruler of the people" who has the city and the sanctuary destroyed, has to be the "He" of verse 27. Therefore, to paraphrase Daniel 9:27, it would read like this:

"The ruler will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ the ruler will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple the ruler will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on the ruler.”

So how and the heck do you get Jesus in there as being the "He" who causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease, when prior to that He was crucified?

7 seven year periods = to restore and rebuild Jerusalem

62 seven year periods = The Messiah will be cut off and have nothing

Taking 7 seven year periods, followed by 62 seven year periods equals 69 seven year periods or 483 years at the end of which the Messiah was cut off.

After that, begins the last seven years. Therefore, since the Messiah is cut off at the end of the 69th seven year period and before the last seven years begins, how can the Messiah even be in view during the last seven years?

Bud62, please take a closer look at this scripture and consider what I have revealed to you. Jesus is not the one who causes the daily sacrifice and offerings to cease. It is cause by that ruler, the future antichrist who will have the abomination set up in the holy place. If you claim that Jesus is the one who stops the sacrifices and offerings, then He would also have to be the one to set up the abomination in the holy place. The word for abomination means a reeking stench that goes up before God. Is Jesus doing this?

Do some real study on this and stop repeating the false teachings that are out in the world.

Not forward in time go back. Start from when the gentiles rule over Daniels people began. Begin at Egypt and count three and a half days.

...just wanted to add to my post... pointing out the part that says (of the word under discussion, "shabua - H7620 ['weeks']" in Dan9:24): "properly, passive participle of shaba [H7650]"...



Here's what it says under this word (H7650) -

H7650 - shaba
BDB -
[שָׁבַע]186 verb swear (probably, so to say, seven oneself, or bind oneself by seven things, compare Thes (as alternative), Gerb108ff; Late Hebrew Niph`al= Biblical Hebrew; ᵑ7 שְׁבַע Ithpe`el, Aph`el; see also DrGenesis 21:28 KöHast. DB NUMBER, 565 RSSemitic i. 166, 2nd ed., 182 WeReste Arabic Heid. 2, 186); —


So, the word in Dan9:24 is "properly, passive participle of [THAT ^] shaba [H7650]"

it’s not a seven year period the number seven represents holiness , completeness the seven represents the completeness or fullness of time .

the tribulation period is from the time Christ was taken into heaven until he returns . It is described immediately after Christ was taken up as the beginning of birth pains , later nation would rise against nation, there would be wars , persecutions on the church .

False prophets and christs would come , earthquakes and famines in various places ....all of these things are a building until the end of the tribulation period which will culminate one one fine but dreadful day when Christ returns to restore things .

this is the tribulation and why it’s here on earth

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.



And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 9-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:2, 5-

Jesus explained about a persecution and tribulation that would begin soon after his ascension into heaven and would continue in the world until he returned that’s what I think I think making it a literal Seven years gets one off track

The devil knows he has a short time and is causing havoc, we are in a time of trouble but only as God allows. God will remove His protection and allow the world to be more and more crazy, but when the final wroth of God is pored out we will know it.

Even JESUS uses A day for A year.
Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected. [ JESUS preached 3 & 1/2 years ]

1. Jesus never stopped sacrifice and offering, they continued until 70 AD.
2. Jesus did not put the abomination of desolation in the holy place
3. He was cut off three years after his ministry, not 3.5,
4. He was not introduced as messiah (riding on a donkey) until literally a 7 day (not 7 year) before he was cut off (marking the end of the 69th week.
5. nothing happened 3.5 years after messiah was cut off (using your timeline) which would have marked the end of the 70 weeks, and we have yet to see anything that Gabriel said would happen at the end,

First day,Second day,Third day,Forth day,Fifth day.Sixth day,sanctified day of rest. 1000,2000,3000,4000,5000,6000, Millennial kingdom. In the midst of the week he comes and it stops 1000,2000,3,500.

well, we got 18-1 who have voted. I don't who the one is I am not saying they are wrong or right but if you could hopefully without ridicule, tell me why "yes we are in the seven-year tribulation period now "

Well I have no idea how one could come to such a conclusion. I do believe that the tribulation or the time of Jacobs trouble will be a lot worse that we are seeing today. I would say that the tribulation will be focused on Jerusalem as that is who Satan wishes to destroy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

"...and the man of sin revealed..." that kills those who do not worship the image during the tribulation unless they can reveal who he is and his mark we cannot be in it? But if they can reveal him then they can explain that we are in it.

Searching the KJV for 'The God of His Fathers'

2 Kings 21:22
And he forsook the LORD God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the LORD.

2 Chr 13:12
And, behold, God himself is with us for our captain, and his priests with sounding trumpets to cry alarm against you. O children of Israel, fight ye not against the LORD God of your fathers; for ye shall not prosper

2 Chr 21:10
So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the LORD God of his fathers.

2 Chr 28:25
And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the LORD God of his fathers.

2 Chr 30:19
That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary.

2 Chr 33:12
And when he was in affliction, he besought the LORD his God, and humbled himself greatly before the God of his fathers,

All these verses specify The Lord. The LORD The God of his fathers. (Adoni, Yahweh)


But the Daniel verse doesn't specify Yahweh, Adoni, The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.

Dan 11:37
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

I think we are both quite familiar with these terms & how they are used in scripture.
But these are the concordance references:

יְהֹוָה yeh·ho·vä'
The KJV translates Strong's H3068 in the following manner: LORD (6,510x), GOD (4x), JEHOVAH (4x), variant (1x).
אֱלֹהִים ʼĕlôhîym, el-o-heem'

The KJV translates Strong's H430 in the following manner: God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).

So according to the KJV:

The Daniel verse uses only The God/gods (of his fathers)

The other verses specify Yahweh The God (of his fathers)

So we can't say with certainty that the man of lawlessness is Jewish using that verse/title.

@Lucy-Pevensie , excellent point.

I had set about gathering such verses in a study yesterday, but became sidetracked by other more urgent issues.

I agree with your summary! Right on!

I think TheDivineWatermark did a good job of explaining. The breakdown is provided in his post. The term is Shivi’im Shabua meaning a period of seven years. (The Bible is a Middle Eastern book not Western)

We have a similar word still in English usage for a group of 10 years- DECADE.
Derived (via French and Latin) from the Ancient Greek: δεκάς, romanised: dekas, which means a group of ten.
Because we like to breakdown things into groups of 10.

We don't use HEPTAD anymore. from Greek heptas, heptad-, from hepta ‘seven’.
If we did we could translate it properly to 'seven heptads' We still use units of seven for our weeks. 7 days = a week.
So the translators used 70 weeks.

The NIV reads Seventy "Sevens" which is a better way of conveying the real meaning- Seventy Heptads which is 490 years.

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