Can we learn from a study of the feasts?

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I think there are many things the feasts tell us. Especially in the old testament, there is much symbolism. There was symbolism in the cutting of foreskin, it was a physical mark of a spiritual mark of belonging to the Lord. There was symbolism in the command not to mix fabrics, as we are to not mix the ways of the lord with the ways of the pagans.

There is symbolism in that the feasts are spring feasts, a summer feast, and fall feasts. The Lord plants as we plant in the spring, there is growth in the summer as we grow in the Lord as we obey Him, and Christ will return and harvest the saints, as we harvest in the fall.

The feasts prophecy events regarding our salvation. Christ was crucified on Passover, was in the tomb, a perfect body that did not decay on the feast of unleavened bread, and was resurrected on the day of First Fruits. First Fruits belong to the Lord, and Christ is now on the right hand of the Father. Pentecost happened on the day they celebrated the giving of the law on Mt Sinai, we have the law by the holy spirit. Perhaps God will keep to his pattern of the events of the fall feasts happening on the day they are to be celebrated. Then, although we don’t know the time, we could know the time of year it will happen.

The feast of the trumpet symbolizes the day Christ returns to judge us. Ten days later comes the day of Atonement, symbolizing when we and Israel are forgiven our sins. Five days later is the feast of Tabernacles/booths symbolic of the new heaven and new earth.
 
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Blik said:
Five days later is the feast of Tabernacles/booths symbolic of the new heaven and new earth.
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this one reminds me that we now dwell in 'tents' -- our mortal bodies -- while we have been rescued out of the world. like the Israelites rescued from Egypt, making their way through a land not their own to the place of promise and rest, we too look forward to being brought into our eternal dwellings in the completion of His redemption, to be with Him, to be "home" :)
 
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Blik said:
I think there are many things the feasts tell us. Especially in the old testament, there is much symbolism. There was symbolism in the cutting of foreskin, it was a physical mark of a spiritual mark of belonging to the Lord. There was symbolism in the command not to mix fabrics, as we are to not mix the ways of the lord with the ways of the pagans.

There is symbolism in that the feasts are spring feasts, a summer feast, and fall feasts. The Lord plants as we plant in the spring, there is growth in the summer as we grow in the Lord as we obey Him, and Christ will return and harvest the saints, as we harvest in the fall.

The feasts prophecy events regarding our salvation. Christ was crucified on Passover, was in the tomb, a perfect body that did not decay on the feast of unleavened bread, and was resurrected on the day of First Fruits. First Fruits belong to the Lord, and Christ is now on the right hand of the Father. Pentecost happened on the day they celebrated the giving of the law on Mt Sinai, we have the law by the holy spirit. Perhaps God will keep to his pattern of the events of the fall feasts happening on the day they are to be celebrated. Then, although we don’t know the time, we could know the time of year it will happen.

The feast of the trumpet symbolizes the day Christ returns to judge us. Ten days later comes the day of Atonement, symbolizing when we and Israel are forgiven our sins. Five days later is the feast of Tabernacles/booths symbolic of the new heaven and new earth.
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really a very interesting read and a lot to consider thanks for taking the time to post it God bless
 
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Isaiah 1:11-16 "The multitude of your sacrifices- what are they to me?" says the LORD. "I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations- I cannot bear your worthless assemblies. Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood! Wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight; stop doing wrong."

Amos 5:21 "I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me."
 
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Wow now this is what I've been talking about in my other threads. Glad some had ears to hear praise God.

The feast are so important to new testament understanding.
But don't neglect the preparations before hand and the offerings that lead up.
God's speed to all that study "the appointed times" may the Lord bless them.
 
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Isaiah 1:11-16 "The multitude of your sacrifices- what are they to me?" says the LORD. "I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations- I cannot bear your worthless assemblies. Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood! Wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight; stop doing wrong."

Amos 5:21 "I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me."
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This is the Lord speaking to judah, your a bit out of context saint. This is the same as when we approach God with sin in our hearts and minds he will not hear us.
Jesus said "you call me Lord but do not do what I command".....same thing.

Explanation for God's rebuke.



How the faithful city has become a harlot! It was full of justice; Righteousness lodged in it, But now murderers. Your silver has become dross, Your wine mixed with water. Your princes are rebellious, And companions of thieves; Everyone loves bribes, And follows after rewards. They do not defend the fatherless, Nor does the cause of the widow come before them. Therefore the Lord says, The Lord of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel, “Ah, I will rid Myself of My adversaries, And take vengeance on My enemies. I will turn My hand against you, And thoroughly purge away your dross, And take away all your alloy. I will restore your judges as at the first, And your counselors as at the beginning. Afterward you shall be called the city of righteousness, the faithful city.”
 
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Blik said:
I think there are many things the feasts tell us. Especially in the old testament, there is much symbolism. There was symbolism in the cutting of foreskin, it was a physical mark of a spiritual mark of belonging to the Lord. There was symbolism in the command not to mix fabrics, as we are to not mix the ways of the lord with the ways of the pagans.

There is symbolism in that the feasts are spring feasts, a summer feast, and fall feasts. The Lord plants as we plant in the spring, there is growth in the summer as we grow in the Lord as we obey Him, and Christ will return and harvest the saints, as we harvest in the fall.

The feasts prophecy events regarding our salvation. Christ was crucified on Passover, was in the tomb, a perfect body that did not decay on the feast of unleavened bread, and was resurrected on the day of First Fruits. First Fruits belong to the Lord, and Christ is now on the right hand of the Father. Pentecost happened on the day they celebrated the giving of the law on Mt Sinai, we have the law by the holy spirit. Perhaps God will keep to his pattern of the events of the fall feasts happening on the day they are to be celebrated. Then, although we don’t know the time, we could know the time of year it will happen.

The feast of the trumpet symbolizes the day Christ returns to judge us. Ten days later comes the day of Atonement, symbolizing when we and Israel are forgiven our sins. Five days later is the feast of Tabernacles/booths symbolic of the new heaven and new earth.
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It is most interesting that the three Feasts coincide with the harvests. Turning to Leviticus 23 we note that the harvest is in three parts. But before that we have a fourth, but which is the first - the Sabbath Feast (v.1-3). Could it be that the SEVENTH is the goal of the other three. Let us see.

WE have first then the Passover - the killing of an innocent Lamb so that God will pass over the guilty. Joined directly to this is seven days without leaven - a picture of both Christ's life and how ours should be (1st Cor.5:7). But the Passover is at the time of the winter harvest, and a sheaf is "waved" on the "morrow after the Sabbath". It is joined by a meal offering in which was salt but no leaven. The total picture is of Christ slain, but risen (shown by the "motion" of the sheaf - a sign of life), and accompanied by others as a firstfruits unto God from the resurrection (Matt.27:53; 1st Cor.15:23). There is no offering for sin. Everything about this Feast shows Christ.

Then comes the harvest of that which is planted around the Passover. But this harvest is SEVEN SEVENS plus the "morrow after the Sabbath". This indicates a harvest connected with Christ's resurrection. There is a sin offering, and we see in verse 17 that the Meal Offering HAS leaven - showing sinners harvested. But they are also firstfruits (Jas.1:18) It must show the harvest of the Church - resurrection, for in verse 20 they re "waved" too.

Then comes a Feast which is has no Firstfruits attached. It too is attached to a SEVENTH. It is the collecting of those who dwelt in "tents", indicating a people who had no permanent dwelling - Israel in dispersion. Their sins have caused them to be sojourners in foreign lands. A Trumpet sounds for their gathering as Matthew 24:31 predicts - for they are the Nation that was scattered to the four winds. The harvest Feast of tents starts, not with joy, but "affliction" for when Christ appears out of the clouds over Jerusalem, they will "mourn" over Him Who they pierced (Matt.24:30; Rev.1:7). They have lived and died in foreign lands, persecuted and hated, for this was the penalty of the Law. The were presented with their Messiah but for tow thousand years they rejected Him - and paid dearly for it. Their "souls will be afflicted with remorse".

What will become of this harvest? Is not their sin toward their King and Messiah too great? NO! Christ is their "ATONEMENT". It is true that Israel do not believe until they see, but their Lamb died NOT for the Church only, but for the "sin and sins of the WORLD" (Jn.1:29; 1st Jn.2:2). And they have a Covenant of Promise. So their sins are atoned for by their Lamb. And with this done comes the rejoicing. They are home in their Land. They are forgiven. They are God's People again. All is forgotten and healed. Happy is the Israelite in SEVENTH month for SEVEN days - the SEVENTH one thousand year period - the Millennium - the Messianic age.
 
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Magenta said:
Isaiah 1:11-16 "The multitude of your sacrifices- what are they to me?" says the LORD. "I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations- I cannot bear your worthless assemblies. Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands in prayer, I hide my eyes from you; even when you offer many prayers, I am not listening. Your hands are full of blood! Wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight; stop doing wrong."

Amos 5:21 "I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me."
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We need to understand these verses. It is not the Lord reversing Himself and teaching something new. It was because the Jews were sacrificing as the pagans sacrificed: to feed the idols. God sacrificed Himself for us and it was so our sins could be forgiven. They were to sacrifice as a symbol of Christ: for the forgiveness of sin and if it was done for any other reason the Lord hated it.

When the Lord gave us the feasts, it wasn't to be for a sacrifice on our part, as the modern church thinks of them. It was for joy, feasting, celebrating. We can choose not to celebrate, but to feast as a sacrifice would not please the Lord.
 
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pottersclay said:
Wow now this is what I've been talking about in my other threads. Glad some had ears to hear praise God.

The feast are so important to new testament understanding.
But don't neglect the preparations before hand and the offerings that lead up.
God's speed to all that study "the appointed times" may the Lord bless them.
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If the Lord keeps to His pattern of the event happening on the day the feasts prophesized the event, then in 2021, the lord would return on Monday, September 6, 2021 if God chose to return in this year. Other than the date of the year, then, we will not know the year Christ returns.
 
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If the Lord keeps to His pattern of the event happening on the day the feasts prophesized the event, then in 2021, the lord would return on Monday, September 6, 2021 if God chose to return in this year. Other than the date of the year, then, we will not know the year Christ returns.
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The omer is not fully counted yet.
 
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The omer is not fully counted yet.
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I don't understand. Counting the Omer is counting the 50 days between Passover and Pentecost. How does that figure in the pattern the lord established of the event happening on the day the feast celebrates the event?
 
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Blik said:
If the Lord keeps to His pattern of the event happening on the day the feasts prophesized the event, then in 2021, the lord would return on Monday, September 6, 2021 if God chose to return in this year. Other than the date of the year, then, we will not know the year Christ returns.
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There is no way to speculate.
Matthew 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:50
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

Matthew 25:13
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Luke 12:46
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
 
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Corban said:
Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
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this is a traditional Hebrew wedding reference. a couple is treated as married from the day they are engaged, but the bride stays in the home of her parents waiting for the groom to come and snatch her away at a time unannounced. her maids should keep oil in the lamps, because it could be any time, even the midst of the night. the father of the groom arranges the wedding feast, setting the day. the groom, if asked about the secret time the father sets, says 'no man knows the hour but my father' -- even if he does know; and of course the father tells him, because the groom prepares a place for them in his fathers house, while the bride is to wait, prepared at any time, waiting for his return.

this doesn't mean Christ, who is the omniscient LORD God Almighty manifest in the flesh, doesn't know something. He knows all things.
it means He speaking of these things in terms of a marriage, in idioms the Jews who heard Him would have immediately understood.

guess why the apostles speak of our salvation in terms of marriage ;) -- they understood Him, too, and they worshipped
 
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Corban said:
There is no way to speculate.
Matthew 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:50
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

Matthew 25:13
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Luke 12:46
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
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yes

but God loves His feast days. they commemorate days, and He does profound things on them. Christ chose two of them to die and to raise up again; He could have chosen any day. He chose the perfect day because He knows all things and is perfect in all things. so He also chose to pour out His Spirit on His people on another feast day.

seeing that, would i be surprised if He does things we wait for on feast days? no i would not at all be surprised. i would probably be surprised if He doesn't

so i share your 'shock' hearing @Blik say, if next year, it must be this day -- but i agree with her in spirit, that if i had to guess, i would guess that He returns on a feast day. Rosh Hashanah isn't a bad guess - it calls for a trumpet

tabernacles, i'm told, isn't commemorating a certain day, which is not typical for the feasts. why would the other feasts be commemorating an event on a certain day, but this one not? it is tied to 40 years of wandering, not to a single day, but it takes place at a certain time. is that 'weird' ?
 
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Blik said:
I don't understand. Counting the Omer is counting the 50 days between Passover and Pentecost. How does that figure in the pattern the lord established of the event happening on the day the feast celebrates the event?
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Actually the count is 49. Jesus accended after 40 days
 
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pottersclay said:
Actually the count is 49. Jesus accended after 40 days
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Shavuot is the day after 7 7's, the 50th, an 8th day. Leviticus 23:15-16, Deuteronomy 16:9-10.
the word 'pentecost' is literally '50th' in Greek.
 
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Corban said:
There is no way to speculate.
Matthew 24:36
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:50
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

Matthew 25:13
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Luke 12:46
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
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I do not think that the fact that we are not to know when Christ will return negates the fact that it is a pattern of the Lord to have the event happen on the day it was celebrated. Knowing the day is not knowing the time, it could be any year. If the Lord returns at a different day of the year, the Lord would be breaking a pattern he had established for the first time.
 
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posthuman said:
Shavuot is the day after 7 7's, the 50th, an 8th day. Leviticus 23:15-16, Deuteronomy 16:9-10.
the word 'pentecost' is literally '50th' in Greek.
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Correct the days in between are counted....49
 
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Corban said:
It is most interesting that the three Feasts coincide with the harvests. Turning to Leviticus 23 we note that the harvest is in three parts. But before that we have a fourth, but which is the first - the Sabbath Feast (v.1-3). Could it be that the SEVENTH is the goal of the other three. Let us see.

WE have first then the Passover - the killing of an innocent Lamb so that God will pass over the guilty. Joined directly to this is seven days without leaven - a picture of both Christ's life and how ours should be (1st Cor.5:7). But the Passover is at the time of the winter harvest, and a sheaf is "waved" on the "morrow after the Sabbath". It is joined by a meal offering in which was salt but no leaven. The total picture is of Christ slain, but risen (shown by the "motion" of the sheaf - a sign of life), and accompanied by others as a firstfruits unto God from the resurrection (Matt.27:53; 1st Cor.15:23). There is no offering for sin. Everything about this Feast shows Christ.

Then comes the harvest of that which is planted around the Passover. But this harvest is SEVEN SEVENS plus the "morrow after the Sabbath". This indicates a harvest connected with Christ's resurrection. There is a sin offering, and we see in verse 17 that the Meal Offering HAS leaven - showing sinners harvested. But they are also firstfruits (Jas.1:18) It must show the harvest of the Church - resurrection, for in verse 20 they re "waved" too.

Then comes a Feast which is has no Firstfruits attached. It too is attached to a SEVENTH. It is the collecting of those who dwelt in "tents", indicating a people who had no permanent dwelling - Israel in dispersion. Their sins have caused them to be sojourners in foreign lands. A Trumpet sounds for their gathering as Matthew 24:31 predicts - for they are the Nation that was scattered to the four winds. The harvest Feast of tents starts, not with joy, but "affliction" for when Christ appears out of the clouds over Jerusalem, they will "mourn" over Him Who they pierced (Matt.24:30; Rev.1:7). They have lived and died in foreign lands, persecuted and hated, for this was the penalty of the Law. The were presented with their Messiah but for tow thousand years they rejected Him - and paid dearly for it. Their "souls will be afflicted with remorse".

What will become of this harvest? Is not their sin toward their King and Messiah too great? NO! Christ is their "ATONEMENT". It is true that Israel do not believe until they see, but their Lamb died NOT for the Church only, but for the "sin and sins of the WORLD" (Jn.1:29; 1st Jn.2:2). And they have a Covenant of Promise. So their sins are atoned for by their Lamb. And with this done comes the rejoicing. They are home in their Land. They are forgiven. They are God's People again. All is forgotten and healed. Happy is the Israelite in SEVENTH month for SEVEN days - the SEVENTH one thousand year period - the Millennium - the Messianic age.
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